Tavistock gender clinic ‘converting’ gay children

Mumsnet have kindly deleted my posts from yesterday. The judge made some unclear remarks this morning about the use of the legal bundle outside the court room (unclear what can be said/used in public outside the verbal testimony) so to be on the safe side, I asked MNHQ to delete my posts with quotes from the witness statements.

By those numbers, there should be tens of thousands of women in their 20s, 30s, and beyond who couldn’t get the support for their gender identity. Where are they all?

Presenting themselves for adult autism diagnosis (or self identifying as autistic)

On a related note, I just wanted to re-share this Observer interview from May 2021 with Dr David Bell, another Tavistock whistleblower. Dr Bell always comes across so clearly and eloquently.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2021/may/02/tavistock-trust-whistleblower-david-bell-transgender-children-gids

Quite honestly before any assessment of a child do an assessment of the parent.

From the evidence given by Anastassis Spiliadis in Sonia Appleby's court case last week:

Sonia was reviewing cases and enquiring why cases involving emotional abuse by mother and suspected FII had not been referred.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3961244-GIDS-being-sued-by-their-safeguarding-lead?msgid=108223411#108223411

FII = Fabricated or induced illness.

So the Employment tribunal will only decide Sonia's case.... so what could happen next with this issue? The trans the gay away issue? the TAVI not fit for purpose issue? etc etc

That might imply that in 2009 1,766 young girls went without the treatment they needed. I would really like to know what happened to those young girls and where they are now? I suspect most are living completely normal lives, possibly a high proportion are lesbians. I would bet money they are more likely to be happy than those would entered treatment in 2017.

A very good point KenDodd and a question that needs asking on MSM

A year ago TODAY, JK Rowling wrote:

"Some say they decided to transition after realising they were same-sex attracted, and that transitioning was partly driven by homophobia, either in society or in their families"

This has come up a number of threads. Quite honestly before any assessment of a child do an assessment of the parent.

And whether they are overtly homophobic or are deeply entrenched gender conformist(*), send them of for analysis and leave the children alone.

(*) There was a well publicised at the time case of a fundamentalist christian family in the US who were quite happy to see their twin daughters transition to trans men rather then be non feminine and lesbian. Its not just Iran whose fundamentalism sees transition as preferable to homosexuality or lesbianism.

bbc article on the taylor report: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54374165

twitter.com/STILLTish/status/1406636710717427715

' Surely there could not have been anyone raising the alarm as far back as 2005? #KeiraBell #soniaappleby

Wrong. Taylor Report. From 2005!'

In 2009 40 girls under 18 were referred to doctors for gender treatment in England. By 2017 the number had soared to 1,806.

Let's imagine for a minute that we are in a better place now and that it's a good think that more children are getting 'help' for gender issues. That might imply that in 2009 1,766 young girls went without the treatment they needed. I would really like to know what happened to those young girls and where they are now? I suspect most are living completely normal lives, possibly a high proportion are lesbians. I would bet money they are more likely to be happy than those would entered treatment in 2017.

I think Hiding meant that there is a link between being transgender and having parents who disapprove of homosexuality.

Homosexuality in boys is apparently higher in boys born after other male children, and obviously some parents are (sadly) homophobic, which will obviously be problematic.

But you appear to be implying that poor parenting causes homosexuality. I am unaware of any indication of that, or even evidence suggesting it as a possibility. Is there something I can read, or is it conjecture on your part?

Hopefully the inappropriate influence that so many adult lobby groups have had over this service will be exposed. If the truth were to be exposed about how adults were able to use a medical service for children to pursue their own agenda about validating their adult choices, the heavens would fall in.

I read the article early today and was both angry and sad.

Just think, if Stonewall had stuck with it original purpose of protecting the rights of same sex attracted people they could have played a positive role in how young people referred to GIDs or whever, to act as voice and champion the fact that being lesbian or gay is perfectly all right.

And would fit their brief of being opposed to conversion therapy of lesbians and gays.

But now here they are aiding and abetting conversion therapy, and getting funding to do it.

(Just to say that some of the Times news articles aren't behind a paywall, for instance this one and the one about Liz Truss. And just wish all the ones the published about women's sex based rights were not behing pay wall so that many more can read them given the deluge of pro trans acticles published each day.)

Apparently Iran has the second highest per capita rate of sex reassignment surgery in the world, after Thailand. The point being that you're not allowed to be gay in Iran, so being trans is the next best thing.

We like to think we're a long way out in front of ignorant, backward Islamic theocracies. Turns out some of us, not so much.

Corrected link to Allison's tweet.

Allison Bailey has just posted a thread on this <a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5e79e3d4-d110-11eb-8afd-f729c1c2ffd0?shareToken=6b6c153477b5095f442b793efe101f85" target="_blank">Link to tweet