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The SDP are left wing and against self ID

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thaigreen · 19/06/2021 10:42

I don’t normally post but am gender critical and spend a lot of time reading here. I know many left leaning gender critical women are looking for a party to vote for and I’ve not seen the SDP mentioned. Their policies look promising. Any views?

sdp.org.uk/policies/transgender-and-biological-sex-based-rights/

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ChristinaXYZ · 19/06/2021 13:53

I'd seriously consider voting for an SDP candidate if one stood locally.

FifteenToes · 19/06/2021 13:52

@PlonitbatPlonit

I wouldn't call them left wing, just as a matter of fact - they define themselves as being in the centre "a patriotic, economically left-leaning, and culturally traditional political party."

You're right that Brexit isn't pure left-right, but in SDP case maps to other issues, in particular immigration. Just mentioned it might be a barrier for some.

No, they're not left wing in the generally understood sense.

But they advocate nationalising rail and utilities, and a (probably, on balance) slightly more progressive tax system, within a balanced mixed economy. So about as left wing or more than the Blairite wing of the Labour party, who will probably determine policy going into the next election under Starmer.

Alonelonelylonersbadidea · 19/06/2021 13:48

Thanks for this thread.

I too am politically homeless as I can't vote for any party that disregards the voices of 50% of the population on their own rights.
I have been so down about it.

I'm up for researching and this is a great place to start.

Imnobody4 · 19/06/2021 12:37

Also
sdp.org.uk/people/
Only one woman to 7 men. The podcasts they've done are again mainly with men. Wonder if they'll turn up on GB news.
I'd still seriously consider them but worry they'd only take votes from the Tories and let Lab/Lib in which at the moment is my greatest fear.

DaisiesandButtercups · 19/06/2021 12:32

Good points Imnobody4.

Imnobody4 · 19/06/2021 12:16

I am attracted to them but do have some misgivings. They say
'We must be one – irrespective of race, gender, sexual orientation or creed and we must engage with fellow citizens as equals. We reject the current obsession with grievance and identity which divides our society into hostile and opposing camps. We favour strengthening the common bonds which unite us and, in so doing, re-enforcing communitarian impulses in public life.' and
'We believe ‘fraternity vs division’ to be a key watershed question in all Western societies. Fraternity must prevail.'

I can't see anything specifically addressing women's rights or violence against women but they do focus on the family. I want a chance to interrogate their stance a bit more. What do they mean by 'socially conservative'?

DaisiesandButtercups · 19/06/2021 12:05

I voted remain but that ship has well and truly sailed.

I’d vote for for the SDP if they stood in my area.

I very much like that they are left of centre economically but not into authoritarian and divisive identity politics.

I like the emphasis on family and community, the very things which queer theory seeks to destroy.

I hope that they would prioritise UK agriculture and human rights and workers rights, high environmental and animal welfare standards in any trade deals. Seems crazy that we are now expecting to import food from the other side of the world.

Obviously I particularly value that they recognise the importance of sex based rights and that sex matters. The only political party to explicitly do do I think, apart from perhaps the Communist Party.

Floisme · 19/06/2021 12:02

I didn't enjoy spoiling my vote in May so I'm watching them and, if they start fielding more candidates round here, I might do more than just watch.

thaigreen · 19/06/2021 12:02

Thanks for the replies. I am considering joining. I voted remain, but women’s rights are my absolute priority and I’ve had enough of being politically homeless.

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FOJN · 19/06/2021 11:52

Costed not coated ffs

FOJN · 19/06/2021 11:51

they define themselves as being in the centre "a patriotic, economically left-leaning, and culturally traditional political party."

I'd agree with their own description. I'd say I was left of center but I think they have some good ideas. I'd like to see some of their plans coated to make sure they aren't indulging in magical thinking but I could certainly see myself voting for them.

PlonitbatPlonit · 19/06/2021 11:22

I wouldn't call them left wing, just as a matter of fact - they define themselves as being in the centre "a patriotic, economically left-leaning, and culturally traditional political party."

You're right that Brexit isn't pure left-right, but in SDP case maps to other issues, in particular immigration. Just mentioned it might be a barrier for some.

MouseyTheVampireSlayer · 19/06/2021 11:18

We need to move away from the identity politics of left and right. That's partly how the greens, labour and lib Dems have been thoroughly captured.
It's this unthinking acceptance of anything not mainstream.
I actually cringe at how virtue signally I used to be in elections. I dismissed older people's views as gammon without listening to their concerns.I would have liked to remain and voted as such, but it's happened now. We need to stop picking sides and start picking on policy. Politics isn't a football match.

NecessaryScene · 19/06/2021 11:12

I think the SDP (Mark 2) are very keen on Brexit - which might be a barrier for some.

Um, I think that's already happened. If you're looking for a rejoin-the-EU party, I'm not sure any are campaigning on that, are they?

I wouldn't call them left wing.

That's nice. Why, specifically? Being pro-Brexit isn't sufficient, as there I know there are quite a few left-wing anti-EU people... Overall they seem pretty moderate-left on policy overall. Sure they wouldn't be "left" if they were a wing of the Labour party, but nationally, yes.

(Personally I don't think left-vs-right is important at this point - we should be worrying about liberal-vs-illiberal).

PlonitbatPlonit · 19/06/2021 11:08

I think the SDP (Mark 2) are very keen on Brexit - which might be a barrier for some. I wouldn't call them left wing.

MouseyTheVampireSlayer · 19/06/2021 11:07

I may donate to them, but still think until they're getting lots of candidates in countrywide it's not really going to do much.

Pudmyboy · 19/06/2021 11:05

The SDP do get occasional mentions but have yet to create a huge response. I am very encouraged by their existence and their stance on a lot of issues. Sadly no evidence of them round my way yet.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 19/06/2021 11:04

Thanks for posting, OP. I had heard of this, on Mumsnet FWR of course! We haven’t had any SDP candidates to vote for up till now, but they’ll have my vote if they stand.

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