Why doesn't the Labour Party care about women.en?

Some clever powerful people manipulating less clever people to pursue the age old agenda of controlling women and moving toward a world where people can’t procreate any more through neoeugenics.

Highame

This goes all the way back to the family wage - the man should earn enough to keep his family and the woman should stay home and only do paid work for pocket money

Exactly what I was thinking. The basic assumptions about how society works have not been updated. They know consciously, but it's not worked it's way through to emotional unconsciousness. I've not used the right terms there but I don't know what they are!

One of the things I've noticed is that the Tories are fleet of foot and can change focus pretty damned quickly. Tony Blair was the only one I noticed who thought women had importance but he didn't do enough. David Cameron was very keen on making himself a friend of MN too and there are plenty who recognise the importance of MN (yes I'm singling it out) as one of the biggest women's groups with such a cross section that it is massively important. The Tories know where to look and they do loads more focus groups etc than Labour, in fact their 'find out' machine is very well oiled.

Labour just can't resist talking to itself and I don't know if it can break that mould. Losing a deposit in the latest by-election was catastrophic (even if it was also bad for the Tories) and they have so much to do to gain strength. If they're not careful, they could end up with a Scotland crisis on their hands. Maybe then they'll think we're important.

This goes all the way back to the family wage - the man should earn enough to keep his family and the woman should stay home and only do paid work for pocket money

Because they’re still listening to 20 something momentum activists who were not even born at the time telling them the trans issue is just like section 28 under the thatcher government

Yeah, I was just about to say this - have been on twitter a lot recently - and the Labour party is full of he/hims activists from 16-30 who have no doubts in their heads that they are the good guys, and happily call dissenters: racists, bigots or 'get out the party' etc.

(I also know many fantastic Labour women pushing back but...)

These men (many with autism, from their profiles) seem furious and don't seem able to listen to anyone outside their bubble - that is, will block at questions they don't like. They are completely under the spell of gender ideology - and the idea that women have sex-based rights does not compute.

Welsh Government have just committed to self-ID - led by our newly-named 'Social Justice Minister' (used to be our Women & Equalities Minister but women are soooo yesterday's news obvs). Labour are actively anti-women and totally unconcerned about the impact of their Stonewall-dictated policies on other groups.

I'm scared too.

Because they’re still listening to 20 something momentum activists who were not even born at the time telling them the trans issue is just like section 28 under the thatcher government

Yup I feel that no political party actually supports women and women’s right.

However it feels like the left has entered a dangerous mew phase of actively trying to dismantle women’s rights and actively and aggressively go after and attack and silence women and especially women of a different racial heritage or sexual orientation.

And I’m scared.

I have written to Kier Starmer twice, and yesterday to my 2 local Labour councillors. I didn't vote this time either and I won't vote for the LP while they support self ID.

But I do not think the tories care about women. The upper house does, but the tories are in this for their own means. Only a couiple of years ago they were full on TWAW

I agree with PP, no political party, left or right cares about women. The right are doing nothing to advance women's rights and the left are currently hell bent on destroying the ones we have.

I think the left pay lip service to a belief in women as equals but their misogyny means they don't follow through and the right don't believe patriarchy exists.

At the moment I think the conservatives have realised their error in proposing self ID and are standing back watching the left support it knowing it's electoral poison. No change to the law is, for the time being, buying time for women to highlight the problems with a self ID policy, time we wouldn't have if Labour were in power.

But what's going on now with the identity politics focus seems different to me. There are some very strange currents there with some small groups, and even small groups within groups, wielding a lot of power around who gets to set the agenda.

I agree with this and it's very sinister. I think these small powerful groups have infiltrated all parties but have had more success in capturing the left wing.

Labour have stopped thinking for themselves and are just importing ideas from the USA.
Many ideas on queer theory etc were born in American academia via Judith Butler etc and spread on U.S. campuses.
The USA has never been as socialist as the UK & Europe and identity politics here are not a good fit for Labour, they’ve been a vote looser.

Yes. Our opportunities, social support etc is only for good times.

They can be removed at any time.

Also our rights as seen around the wotld around various issues.

I think someone said (it might have been Bea Campbell) that in terms of mainstream politics it was only during "good times" that those in control would then find the space and time to think about women. But otherwise women's issues were never on the agenda.

Yes. Stalinism Vs Naziism. That sort of idea.

Not sure what that's got to do with women in the context of this thread though.

I heard a theory that the political spectrum doesn't flow in a linear way from extreme left to extreme right but more forms a circle, like a colour wheel. So the more extreme you go to the left the closer you get to meeting those on the right.

'women's issues' - most of which should be considered societal issues. Niche. Less important. Hidden often on areas for women in the media.

Also often stuff to do with children.

Half the population.
Plus the most vulnerable (children).

My guess is there is a kind of systemic effect going on in terms of the larger historical issue.

My observation is that there are plenty of people, across the political spectrum, who care about women. There are MPs who are concerned about it, work on it, try to help women who come to them, etc. In both major parties. But what doesn't always happen is that concern being translated into an emphasis on effective policy for the benefit of women, compared to other issues.

Part of it might be that some other issues have broader appeal for men and women, so tend to win out when they decide which initiatives to put their weight behind. I'd also say that there are some areas where there is so little agreement about the best way to do things, that they end up doing nothing - childcare policy might be an example of that.

But what's going on now with the identity politics focus seems different to me. There are some very strange currents there with some small groups, and even small groups within groups, wielding a lot of power around who gets to set the agenda.

No, you're right and I am, now, feeling a bit silly that it took the issue of TW to realise it. I could rationalise the lack of a female leader away as voter misogyny. Look at Theresa May's squeak home v Boris Johnson's landslide. Yes the whole political roadshow is patriarchal but I thought I'd picked a challenger. I was wrong. There isn't one.

Trade unions.

Interesting.

DH works for an org that automatically meant he was a labour party member, and had money to them taken from his salary every month.

This was not made clear.

It was automatic- you can opt out if you even notice.

Trade Unions

Not even push came to shove.

It's just always been that way. This has just made it obvious.

Absolutely Nice. If push came to shove it was the man who was the focus.