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Is this the beginning of males being able to carry a foetus?

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DragonLegs · 17/06/2021 15:28

www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9696597/Chinese-scientists-force-male-rats-BIRTH.html

I’m just wondering why this experiment took place? Is it’s goal to enable the male pregnancy?

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NiceGerbil · 18/06/2021 03:03

Doubt it.

There's stacks of fertile women around to have babies.

And the current fertility treatments are lucrative.

Kinsters · 18/06/2021 02:58

Thinking about it I'd be inclined to think that this must be about fertility treatments (for women). Implanting uteruses in human males must be so ultra niche that there won't be money to be made from it. Producing drugs and treatments for female fertility though? There's a huge market for that. I hope that's what they're looking into anyway.

Kinsters · 18/06/2021 02:52

Animals in labs are treated abhorently the world over, it's not an exclusively Chinese thing.

I don't know what the wider aim of the experiment was. If it's used as evidence that nope you can't transplant a uterus into a man and expect a healthy pregnancy to result then great. It's interesting that it's clearly not just the uterus and hormones, there must be something else about the female body that allows gestation. It would be interesting to learn more, especially if it is looked at in the context of understanding female fertility with the view to improving fertility treatments. There's still loads we don't know about the female reproductive system.

Of course the ethics of using animals like this are dubious but, as I said, experimentation on animals happens everywhere, not just China. Maybe they treat the animals better in the UK...but whether they do or not there's no getting away from it that UK lab rats live short and unpleasant lives. When I was at university one of my peers final year dissertations involved grafting tumours onto rats..

NiceGerbil · 18/06/2021 02:07

Why are experiements to try and grow babies without women an ongoing focus in science?

Because the fact we are needed to make babies is very inconvenient for men. It makes them need us. They can't do it. The obsession with paternity that leads to s lot of the desire to control us.

Women can do something they can't do, s really important powerful thing and they really don't like it.

MouseyTheVampireSlayer · 17/06/2021 23:23

@KimikosNightmare how do you do your family planning then?
Just curious.

Ostagazuzulum · 17/06/2021 22:55

This is awful. I don't even know how to express how I feel about this.

Alicethruthelookingglass · 17/06/2021 22:43

This is one of the sickest things I have ever seen published.

People who torture animals generally don't end well.

touma · 17/06/2021 22:42

@Borka

Fucking hell, what a horrible and pointless experiment.

Agreed 😔

LizzieSiddal · 17/06/2021 22:35

I’m not sure if the purpose of this. It’s not as if we are short of women in this planet. It just seems pointless and cruel.

KimikosNightmare · 17/06/2021 22:34

@DragonLegs

www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9696597/Chinese-scientists-force-male-rats-BIRTH.html

I’m just wondering why this experiment took place? Is it’s goal to enable the male pregnancy?

Your post should have come with a trigger warning and an accurate title.
KimikosNightmare · 17/06/2021 22:32

@Imnobody4

At this point I'm more concerned about the rats. What a cruel, pointless sadistic use of science. Goes hand in hand with the treatment of Uyghur muslims. Sometimes the future really scares me.
Me too. I feel sick reading that. One of the reasons I oppose all assisted conception is because of the pain, terror and pointless suffering inflicted on animals.
CandyLeBonBon · 17/06/2021 22:24

Frankly it's reminiscent of nazi experiments and I honestly cannot believe this has been allowed. It's abhorrent

Goldensyrupissticky · 17/06/2021 21:56

Utterly disgusting and beyond cruel. Those poor rats, intelligent creatures, to be treated to such a senseless experiment. The images of the foetuses was awful.

Sewing animals together. Why?

EsmaCannonball · 17/06/2021 21:49

Waiting to see which TRA cheerleader volunteers to get grafted onto Aimee Challenor. You just know there'll be someone.

Poor rats. They're cute and intelligent.

imsanehonest · 17/06/2021 21:30

Rats are highly intelligent sentient beings. Those 'scientists' are evil shits.

MouseyTheVampireSlayer · 17/06/2021 21:19

It's like they watched the human centipede and thought it was an instruction manual.

ArabellaScott · 17/06/2021 21:14

And this is no doubt now going to be used by some people as 'evidence' that males can give birth. Because if you don't care about ethics or the wellbeing of the living beings involved, so much more is medically 'possible'.

ArabellaScott · 17/06/2021 21:11

Bored sadists torturing helpless animals is all we have here.

Sad
MouseyTheVampireSlayer · 17/06/2021 21:07

Animal testing is usually unnecessary or doesn't produce meaningful results.
www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/laboratory/areanimalexperimentsnecessary

AdultHumanWhale · 17/06/2021 21:01

If they transplant a uterus into a male body (rat/monkey/elephant/human...) It's still a female uterus.
'Male uterus'. No, I don't think so.

What an utterly cruel and pointless experiment. Rats feel pain, and they can be very clever.
They're not unthinking, unfeeling creatures! That must have been torture to go through.
Not only do they have the surgeries to join them together, to separate them later, C-section births for both rats, surgery to block the female rat from giving birth naturally, and the surgery to implant the uterus into the male rat... The male rats would surely have had pain from the growth of the foetuses, their bodies are not designed to expand to accommodate babies!

The whole thing makes me sick.

Ozymandias101 · 17/06/2021 17:31

I can't see what useful knowledge was gained here. It's not like the male rat could 'give birth', and as pp have observed, it just shows that a female rat is required to make a pregnancy viable. We all knew that already.

Bored sadists torturing helpless animals is all we have here.

FrankButchersDickieBow · 17/06/2021 16:42

Sick, twisted fuckers.

Wannabangbang · 17/06/2021 16:10

The Chinese government has a lot to answer for and this is another nail in the coffin. Messing with nature here comes covid 21 sometime soon.

VettiyaIruken · 17/06/2021 16:09

What the actual fuck was the point of that torture?
What possible purpose could it serve?
Barbaric.

Bells3032 · 17/06/2021 16:06

Sadly the Chinese has very little regulation on the use of animals in experimentation. Honestly this is appalling and i doubt there's any scientific validity to it