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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Launch: Open University Gender Critical Research Network

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Deathsquito · 17/06/2021 06:31

Hello everyone!

I’ve been a lurker on these boards for the last year or so. I’m a mature student at the OU and was made aware of this whole debate when I was warned to be very careful what I was saying by my (friendly) OU tutor. He told us that what we were discussing may get us threatened online. The whole tutor group was told this.

This was because we were discussing a group experiment we were doing for the module. One involving using biological sex as an independent variable. Like comparing male/female heights.

We had what I thought was a considerate, polite discussion around how best to make sure the data was correct. We decided on asking for biological sex rather than gender as we all understood it to be a different thing.

It was quite a shock to realise this (what I thought was) widely accepted scientific view would get us publicly hung, drawn and quartered, even by other students in the sciences.

I haven’t posted in here before, mostly because I haven’t had anything new to say. But I came across this on Twitter this morning and thought it may be interesting to some.

The OU has launched a GC research network and podcast. The podcast can be viewed on YouTube and after being scared to speak my opinion in real life/my OU studies it has restored my faith in the OU!

Launch: Open University Gender Critical Research Network
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Vanishun · 20/06/2021 16:09

Look at everyone panicking. "Shh! The emperor's clothes are lovely! So shiny and brave!"

Igmum · 20/06/2021 14:10

Brilliant initiative- very well done OU. Spot on about academic freedom

PurpleHoodie · 20/06/2021 13:38

When they they say "Trans", do they mean Transgenderists or, as we understand it, Transsexuals, who understand their biology (and whom wish to live happily - and unhindered - in their biological and gender non-conforming lane)?

Because Trans genderists DESPISE transsexuals, and call them truscum (true scum).

So.

Which is it?

MTCoffeePot · 20/06/2021 09:42

I saw this image on one of Rosa Freedman’s @goonerprof Tweets. The image shows an OU position statement about the network and the responsibility to uphold academic freedom. This seems quite positive. I do hope that the OU stands firm on this position.

Launch: Open University Gender Critical Research Network
talkingdeadscot · 19/06/2021 21:22

The LSE has released this statement. I hope the OU don't cave.

www.lse.ac.uk/gender/news/june-2021/Statement-of-Solidarity-with-Open-University-Staff-and-Postgraduate-Research-Students

ChristinaXYZ · 19/06/2021 13:55

You can fill it in whether you're OU or not.

twitter.com/JoHB68/status/1405610703063552000

Signalbox · 19/06/2021 13:22

I studied a humanities (literature) degree with the OU (graduated October 2013) and none of this was even on their radar then. Queer theory / gender theory / intersectionality was not covered in any way. There must have been a massive shift within a 10 year period I think.

hoodathunkit · 19/06/2021 11:25

apologies for posting in haste

From Ruth Pearce
just wanted to share a link re the entirely predictable backlash to this
To commemorate the launch of the openly transphobic
@OpenUniversity
Gender Critical Research Network, why not read our rigorously peer-reviewed essay collection "TERF Wars: Feminism and the fight for transgender futures"? Free links to every essay here:
twitter.com/NotRightRuth/status/1405886156890333185

I found Pearce's tweet when it was shared by the absolutely fascinating orgaisation the Radical Therapist Network, twitter here
twitter.com/RadTherapistNet

I have been very busy researching the psychoanalytic and psychotherapy area of late and have much to report but am pushed for time

on a slight tangent, another backlash, this time against psychotherapists concerned about safeguarding, can be viewed here

archive.is/BHf6i

Beeboopbop · 19/06/2021 00:18

Submitted

Olderbadger1 · 18/06/2021 22:33

Submitted. Thanks for the link. It's all reminiscent of Maoist China isn't it? Hope the OU stay firm.

TabbyStar · 18/06/2021 20:09

Also submitted, the OU were important to me when I was stuck at home with a toddler and unable to study any other way.

littlbrowndog · 18/06/2021 18:11

Submitted

Blibbyblobby · 18/06/2021 17:55

@SoMuchForSummerLove

I think it's desperately sad that already vulnerable young people have been indoctrinated to believe they're 'unsafe' due to thoughts, discussions, conversations and disagreements. It's a fucking travesty.
Yes, very much so. I believe most of the people on the “other side” are acting in good faith, but the culture of Trans Orthodoxy in which they are immersed is that any disagreement with that Orthodoxy is an act of personal aggression towards trans people, always and only driven by hatred with the intention of annihilation, so that’s what they react to.
SoMuchForSummerLove · 18/06/2021 17:41

Done, thank you for sharing that link.

MalcolmTuckersBollockingface · 18/06/2021 17:36

[quote Manderleyagain]I have just seen this. A short survey to support the OU gender critical research network. It's really important to let the university know what you think. 5 short questions.
You could fill it in as someone who will be helping children decide where to study, or where you might study in the future. If you are already a student there please fill it in.
docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeg0hKlQkOI7koLfsabSbPIIkK0Q8fMr26yCLJQfemSz2o5ZQ/viewform?fbclid=IwAR2IdkJeVcu7QHt9J7FAHyGgOqemFybH5K-NaiMA1l4o4yN6konL3Nn3PRY&fbzx=4410285978403657531[/quote]
Thanks for sharing. I have submitted a response

MTCoffeePot · 18/06/2021 17:15

I do hope that the OU doesn't cave in to pressure from individuals with the usual arguments over this.
Academics for Academic Freedom have retweeted this tweet twitter.com/ProfDHayes/status/1405914356857049092?s=20 'Another attack on academic freedom' concerning a letter from other academics professing 'profound disappointment' in response to the new group.

FindTheTruth · 18/06/2021 13:59

t's good to see a balanced light at the end of the tunnel on the determination of steel tracks built by Maya's, lawyers and others work.

GiantToadstool · 18/06/2021 12:48

I've filled it as an ex student however the way its designed they can limit responses they see to those who are pride and/or ou students.

ArabellaScott · 18/06/2021 12:28

[quote Manderleyagain]I have just seen this. A short survey to support the OU gender critical research network. It's really important to let the university know what you think. 5 short questions.
You could fill it in as someone who will be helping children decide where to study, or where you might study in the future. If you are already a student there please fill it in.
docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeg0hKlQkOI7koLfsabSbPIIkK0Q8fMr26yCLJQfemSz2o5ZQ/viewform?fbclid=IwAR2IdkJeVcu7QHt9J7FAHyGgOqemFybH5K-NaiMA1l4o4yN6konL3Nn3PRY&fbzx=4410285978403657531[/quote]
Done.

TedImgoingmad · 18/06/2021 11:59

This is great news! I have been wanting to start a course, but have been really reluctant to go near OU, or any university for that matter, because of the current no debate culture. Maybe I will now sign up to OU. I have filled out the feedback form.

Sally Hines is not getting the responses on Twitter she thought she might get, I see. She really doesn't ever learn.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 18/06/2021 11:56

Jo Phoenix's statement on the (too familiar) accusation that the network is a hate group:

The OU_GCN and the academics who comprise it are currently being defamed as a hate group and complaints are being made that its mere existence somehow undermines the Open University policies on diversity. One of these claims is DEFAMATORY and actionable. Gender critical beliefs are protected beliefs. The other claim is simply wrong. OpenUniversity has LEGAL OBLIGATIONS to support academic freedom. Stopping a research group on the basis of its theoretical perspective would be a clear violation of the law (see #reindorfreport). [continues]

twitter.com/JoPhoenix1/status/1405472943392624648

FannyCann · 18/06/2021 11:47

This seems a great contribution to the pushback.

YellowFish12 · 18/06/2021 11:31

[quote Manderleyagain]I have just seen this. A short survey to support the OU gender critical research network. It's really important to let the university know what you think. 5 short questions.
You could fill it in as someone who will be helping children decide where to study, or where you might study in the future. If you are already a student there please fill it in.
docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeg0hKlQkOI7koLfsabSbPIIkK0Q8fMr26yCLJQfemSz2o5ZQ/viewform?fbclid=IwAR2IdkJeVcu7QHt9J7FAHyGgOqemFybH5K-NaiMA1l4o4yN6konL3Nn3PRY&fbzx=4410285978403657531[/quote]
Thank you for sharing @anderleyagain - I have filled it out

Manderleyagain · 18/06/2021 11:27

I have just seen this. A short survey to support the OU gender critical research network. It's really important to let the university know what you think. 5 short questions.
You could fill it in as someone who will be helping children decide where to study, or where you might study in the future. If you are already a student there please fill it in.
docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeg0hKlQkOI7koLfsabSbPIIkK0Q8fMr26yCLJQfemSz2o5ZQ/viewform?fbclid=IwAR2IdkJeVcu7QHt9J7FAHyGgOqemFybH5K-NaiMA1l4o4yN6konL3Nn3PRY&fbzx=4410285978403657531

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