Jess de Wahls

[quote nauticant]Apparently trans activists within the trans community were approached to go on the programme but decided against putting forward their version:

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I'm finding the downplaying of this very interesting. The retweet Christine Burns is telling - she mentions twice, in case we're unsure, that it's insignificant news that she's only become aware of this morning...

Fox Fisher tweeted last night 'Kudos to @royalacademy for being 'committed to Equality, Diversity & Inclusion' by dropping an artist I've only just heard of, called Jess de Wahls.' The 'only just heard of' letting us know how insignificant Fox thinks Jess is.

Many more trans commentators are using the same lines of a storey I know nothing about. Very odd that they're all so isolated from this one particular piece of news.

I thought Katie was fairly reasonable. Didn't agree with everything Katie said but Katie was open for debate.

Christine Burns decided it was too trivial an answer to be worth the comment - one (unironic?) reply to her about the interview:

This interview is on R4 right now. The interview is not being conducted by Justin Webb, so the interviewee is being asked real questions.

There was the ususal confusion around the Maya Forstater verdict, but you can't have everything, I suppose

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I didn't catch the full name of the person at 8.49 either and can't find who it might be via google. I suspect the 'playing catch up' is because Today couldn't get anyone from Stonewall etc so had to find someone less familiar with the topic and I wouldn't blame Katie for that. Like Katie, I am quite happy to say sex is dichotomous and gender identity is not, although that is a minority view here.

Anyway, if the interview shows that the 'no surrender' activists do not speak for all transgender people, then that it is all to the good.

Jess was excellent earlier.

yes, I heard that Jules. Such a shame that the BBC still won't /can't challenge that misinformation.

The follow-up trans person was Katy Jon Went. Google is available for your searching needs.

I've just listened to her interview, she was very good. I hope she is invited to speak again.

She is right, if the RA is hoping this will all just disappear, it won't. People will remember this. It will be brought up in articles, and on social media, and in discussions on here, and in books, and radio interviews, and on TV, and even if it's not mentioned for months and months, something will be said somewhere at some point and it will be discussed again (and again).

I contacted the RA twice, once by email and once on their website contact form, telling them I know I will not be welcome at their establishment because I share the same views as Jess de Wahls. And I'll always remember that, even if they backtrack. I'll remember what they did to her, and I'll know they would think the same of me as they do of her. And I just won't go, and I won't support them, and neither will so many other people now they've shown their true colours.

I've also contacted Jess de Wahls to say that I support her, that I think her art is amazing, that I will be buying from her shop (I tried to pre-oder but there is a problem and I couldn't) and that hate won't win.

TFABR has done one of her fantastic portraits as well, just as I hoped. I can't see it in the shop yet but I'll be buying it as soon as she does.

As an aside, a transgender friend of mine had a brief moment in the spotlight a few years ago and found the self on the radio 4 go-to list for any interview - including things they were utterly ignorant of and had nothing to say about.

Just caught the end Kaite (?) something. Sex isn’t binary uhuh... not a professor of biology then.

Thanks Katie....

Utter cowardice from RA not to put anyone forward for this interview. I hope they end up in court. I'll happily contribute to a crowdfund for that!

Katie John Wint? (Spelling).

I thought it was a good interview. Michelle gave Jess to plenty of chances to get her points across and the whole thing was calm and discussed in a grown up and rational way.

My favourite bit was Jess explaining she isn’t there to validate other people. Exactly!!

Katie John Witt? Think that was the name at the end.

Person is trans. Very male voice.

“She says people cannot change sex. What’s your opinion on that”.

“Biologically I agree with that”

Fuck this

"I'm literally just reading it now". FFS.

How arrogant to begin an interview “I’m playing catch up”

The one good thing about this RA business is the number of people it's peak-transing.

Uh? Who's this now on R4 talking about the same subject? 8.49 am

I missed the start of the interview. Will listen back later properly. Was chivvying along a teen...

Someone else on R4 now. All about discussion but missed who it is.