Pronoun badges for train staff and mis-gendering passengers

Eden got on a train they weren’t entitled to use and when the station worker was telling them what to do (or any fine) Eden kicked off about being perceived as a man.

Eden is male, it would be instinct to say “sir” and Eden clearly wasn’t listening to the “your ticket is invalid” conversation and was insisting on pronouns while the station worker wasn’t listening to the pronoun conversation and was insisting on the “your ticket is invalid.” Poor communication from both.

Eden was in the wrong (and could be fined) about the ticket but who cares when they can shout “you misgendered me!” I get misgendered all the time because of a neutral sounding name and a Default Male assumption. I don’t throw a hissy fit about it because my sense of self isn’t dependent on outside validation.

Way to miss the point......

How is it missing the point? How is taking the side of a transwoman in an altercation between two male station staff and a transwoman a consequence of 'male privilege'?

If I have missed the point, please explain how.

I don’t understand how or why train staff should be compelled to deny reality in order to submit to someone else’s beliefs.
They were not “misgendering”, they were correctly sexing.
The “Pronouns are Rohypnol” thread on here made some very good points about the dangers of compelled speech as the thin edge of a large wedge.

Even if the name wasn't on the tickets, it shouldn't have been beyond the staff to ask for it - it's a pretty essential question when dealing with a customer complaint that might have to be passed on.

There might be another side to the story, of course, but we can only comment on the article as presented. Northern Rail haven't denied Eden's version of events

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That’s male privilege right there.

The station staff were male, so, no, it isn't about male privilege.

There might be another side to the story, of course, but we can only comment on the article as presented. Northern Rail haven't denied Eden's version of events.

Do tickets normally have your name on? I've always just been sent the tickets you get out the machines...

Why is everyone so willing to take Eden’s word for what happened? That’s male privilege right there.

I probably missed it, but how would they know Edens name?

She had a pre-booked train ticket which they'd taken hold of.

especially, as in that specific context, there was the option to use the person's name?

I probably missed it, but how would they know Edens name?

I would use the word insisted rather than corrected as corrected implies that people are doing something wrong.

I think in this case, the staff were doing something wrong. Not, perhaps, in their first use of 'Sir' (giving the benefit of the doubt) but by repeating it several times even after the person being addressed had said they didn't like it.

Why would anyone carry on doing something that was clearly causing upset - especially, as in that specific context, there was the option to use the person's name?

It's something of an exaggeration to compare the use of this term to fascism. What would be your preferred word to describe what Eden did?

I would use the word insisted rather than corrected as corrected implies that people are doing something wrong.

All societies which have forced compelled speech have ended badly. Wonder why that is ?

The guy sounds like a rude arsehole tbh. He was repeatedly corrected and clearly didn't give a shit. I doubt this would be covered by Maya's ruling, and I wouldn't wish it to be.

" I kept correcting him by saying it’s ‘miss’ or ‘she’ but by the fifth time, it really started to annoy me. I shouted ‘oh my god, it’s she’.

“He just looked me up and down and tutted and looked at his colleagues as if he couldn’t understand the point I was trying to make."

"He said something along the lines of ‘man, woman, whatever! God, what’s the world coming to, eh?’."

Eden tried to compel the train staff to tell a lie?

Not really tbh. If Eden had got them to say "You are a woman", that would be a lie. But just agreeing to address Eden as 'Miss' is not a lie.

My lonv haired teenage DS has been repeatedly missexed but neither he nor I have corrected anyone, only said 'he' or 'my son' when I naturally would.

Having said that i do think he was being incredibly rude to continue to call Eden sir once she corrected him

I agree that was over the line, if it happened.

Even if we stretched benefit of the doubt to the edge of reason in relation to the repeated use of 'Sir' I think the staff made their intention to antagonise clear with the 'man, woman, whatever is the world coming to?' jibe.

Sir' is simply a courtesy title.

For males.