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Statement from Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie

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Immunetypegoblin · 16/06/2021 07:10

www.chimamanda.com/, published yesterday.

She is angry. One can understand why. One to watch I think.

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Cowbells · 16/06/2021 14:10

@OhHolyJesus - two good essays by her to start with are We Should All Be Feminists (available in print as a mini book) and Beware The Single Story which is a genius piece about race and assumptions. It's in print (freeonline I think) but also on YouTube spoken live by her.

YellowFish12 · 16/06/2021 13:37

She’s on fire! Her writing is amazing. I’m in awe.

Clymene · 16/06/2021 13:32

I'm glad Adichie called her out. That's despicable behaviour. Even famous and successful people have feelings and it's clear she's been deeply hurt by this woman's duplicity, lies and groundless slurs.

I hope her career flounders. She is a leech

myheartmysun · 16/06/2021 13:29

What a star Star

I highly highly recommend reading this interview where CNA discusses the books she loves (I think I'll be ordering them all😅) www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/books/review/chimamanda-ngozi-adichie-by-the-book-interview.html

Cowbells · 16/06/2021 13:03

I am not GC and want trans people to be safe and respected (accepting I may have my head bitten off here)

No one - absolutely no one on these boards in all the time I've been reading the GC threads has ever wanted trans people to be anything other than safe and respected. There is no violence here. The GC feminists/TERFS are not the ones suggesting people who don't share their views should be attacked with machetes or raped or killed etc. If you have that impression you have been reading reactions to the very balanced and considered viewpoints of GC people, not the viewpoints themselves.

TedImgoingmad · 16/06/2021 12:57

I however will be in the garden with butterflies, trying to figure out how to befriend the neighbourhood crows

That's some coded language there. If their "garden" means anything like FWR's garden. Butterflies, they who transform. Who are the crows?

EsmaCannonball · 16/06/2021 12:38

I've often seen 'TERFS' slandered as being comparable to the Westboro Baptist Church but saying someone's parents died as a punishment for their thinking is pure Westboro.

Part 3 was wonderful but I have no problem with Parts 1 and 2. If JKR and Chimamanda can get death threats for politely disagreeing with gender ideology, and if women on Twitter can end up on criminal charges for statements of truth, then I have no problem with shining a light on those making hyperbolic accusations and issuing death threats.

Redapplewreath · 16/06/2021 12:21

Part three in particular. Wow. Yes. All of that. Particularly the take take take and never give attitude becoming prevalent in society, the demands of puritanism and selflessness from others that the demander certainly won't expect of themselves or tolerate anyone else expecting from them - this absolute double standards of personal entitlement compared to what others are entitled to from them. Lundy Bancroft made similar observations in his book Why Does He Do that.

The whole western world is going to have to consider how the most gently and sensitively disciplined, carefully educated, carefully and scientifically parented generations in history with the aim of a happier, more caring and mentally healthy society have managed to create a society in which these values- and growing amounts of violence and vandalism - are becoming normal.

Immunetypegoblin · 16/06/2021 12:18

I must admit I do think the third part is the best, and that her recent bereavements may have influenced her voice/decision to publish private correspondence. I'm not sure she would have done that (and sounded so utterly furious) if not for the sad events of the last year. Having said that, they do provide context for the final section. She has every right to be furious IMO, but I didn't expect it to be so clearly evident based on her previous work/talks.

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adviceseekingnamechanger · 16/06/2021 12:05

Amazing 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

lazylinguist · 16/06/2021 12:03

It's interesting how many protegees are happy to bite the hand that fed them. Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson and now this writer.

Indeed. One wonders if young women like Emma Watson might change their views when they get older and maybe have daughters, or become less visible and benefit less from being seen to be woke young stars. But even if they do repent, will they expect their past views and tweets to be forgiven, unlike those of the people they've been denouncing for their GC views?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/06/2021 12:01

It’s a lazy, dishonest way to get your name better known.

The four obscure authors who flounced from their publisher over JKRowling, the silly child who publicly withdrew from a talk at the last minute because, I think, Selina Todd was also speaking.
All for that tiny spark of publicity they hope will ignite to fame.

I hope more people catch on and realise that anyone unstable enough to resort to this is neither reliable or particularly good at what they do.

Indeed.

McDuffy · 16/06/2021 12:01

[quote Immunetypegoblin]McDuffy - it's this one:

www.newyorker.com/culture/personal-history/notes-on-grief[/quote]
Thank you and thanks Eresh

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 16/06/2021 12:00

Just bought one of her books to celebrate this fantastic essay

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/06/2021 11:59

I lost mine suddenly this year too. Do you remember the name of the piece?

Thanks so sorry to hear that. Yes it's the one posted.

DrRamsesEmerson · 16/06/2021 11:58

@OhHolyJesus

I'm going to buy one of her books.

Blistering is right! I've missed reading some damn fine fiction. What I've been into doesn't hit the mark.

I think I've just found a new favourite!

I like an essay from an author, would like to see more from JKR and CNA.

Buy them all, they're brilliant.
Immunetypegoblin · 16/06/2021 11:56

I'm sorry for your losses Sad my mother died 7 years ago and I found this piece haunting.

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Immunetypegoblin · 16/06/2021 11:55

McDuffy - it's this one:

www.newyorker.com/culture/personal-history/notes-on-grief

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McDuffy · 16/06/2021 11:53

@Ereshkigalangcleg

This person has created a space in which social media followers have – and this I find unforgiveable – trivialized my parents’ death, claiming that the sudden and devastating loss of my parents within months of each other during this pandemic, was ‘punishment’ for my ‘transphobia.’

This is completely disgusting. I lost my own father suddenly last year, and was so moved by Chimamanda's writing about losing hers, and then so sad to read that after that she lost her mother too. I don't think anyone can say she doesn't have the right to call out such despicable, inhuman behaviour.

So sorry for your loss, Eresh. I lost mine suddenly this year too. Do you remember the name of the piece?
Tanith · 16/06/2021 11:52

It’s a lazy, dishonest way to get your name better known.

The four obscure authors who flounced from their publisher over JKRowling, the silly child who publicly withdrew from a talk at the last minute because, I think, Selina Todd was also speaking.
All for that tiny spark of publicity they hope will ignite to fame.

I hope more people catch on and realise that anyone unstable enough to resort to this is neither reliable or particularly good at what they do.

teawamutu · 16/06/2021 11:48

Hadley Freeman has referred to people crawling out of the woodwork to retweet this, who didn't bestir themselves to defend Suzanne Moore - any idea who she's referring to?

WinterTrees · 16/06/2021 11:45

Flowers Eresh

LittleMimi · 16/06/2021 11:44

I love the last parts. So well written and so on point for a lot of issues on twitter and modern “debate”:

People who ask you to ‘educate’ yourself while not having actually read any books themselves, while not being able to intelligently defend their own ideological positions, because by ‘educate,’ they actually mean ‘parrot what I say, flatten all nuance, wish away complexity

People who do not recognize that what they call a sophisticated take is really a simplistic mix of abstraction and orthodoxy – sophistication in this case being a showing-off of how au fait they are on the current version of ideological orthodoxy

People who wield the words ‘violence’ and ‘weaponize’ like tarnished pitchforks. People who depend on obfuscation, who have no compassion for anybody genuinely curious or confused. Ask them a question and you are told that the answer is to repeat a mantra. Ask again for clarity and be accused of violence. (How ironic, speaking of violence, that it is one of these two who encouraged Twitter followers to pick up machetes and attack me

babbaloushka · 16/06/2021 11:43

What an incredible woman. So eloquent and insightful. I bought her book (essay?) 'We should all be feminists' for my kids one Christmas, and they engaged with it so well. Recommend for those with sons.

IvyTwines2 · 16/06/2021 11:39

@Cowbells

It's interesting how many protegees are happy to bite the hand that fed them. Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson and now this writer.
More than bite - to actually incite violence. I think the Potter actors' words were bad, but they didn't go that far, and were perhaps themselves terrified of career cancellation by the woke mob who did actually harass other, more loyal Potter actors off social media and generally behave as though they have the power to get actors' future projects cancelled. These writers had no such fear of job losses, but chose to attack anyway, and attack in a way which, in the 'machete' case, is surely something police should be looking into?
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