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I think school may be ignoring my emails re: gender identity

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Changeychangeychange · 15/06/2021 15:10

After much deliberating I bit the bullet and emailed my child's school about 3 weeks ago now, on 24th May. No response. Half term came and went so on 7th June I followed up with a polite email checking it had been received. Got a reply from the secretary assuring me she would ensure the head would see my original email. Reattached PDFs from safe schools alliance etc. Another week has gone by, no response.

What should I do from here? Chase again? I don't want to make a complaint but I do want them to answer my questions this side of the summer holidays! My email was polite and asking for information about the planned teaching relating to gender ideology in the school. Also asking for information about the promotion of keeping secrets within the jigsaw PSHE programme. It very firmly flags me up as gender critical, which worries me in a LA maintained school in a stonewall champion city council.

The silence from the school is worrying me more than anything, surely the should want to talk to parents about PSHE concerns? I'm not used to dealing with schools as my child is in yrR, so I have no idea what to expect or what a normal timeframe for a response would be.

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Changeychangeychange · 20/06/2021 09:19

I'm aware its the last few weeks of term. However I got in contact LAST TERM. Just before half term they contacted all parents, actually inviting us to get in touch about the sex ed part of the curriculum with any questions. I replied to that specific email, reiterating my concerns - still no response. I really don't think I need to feel guilty about contacting the school to find out what they may or may not be teaching my own child. I'm not harassing them!

In response to the pp stating individual teachers have no influence - this is why I contacted the head first. It's only because I've had no reply that I'm contacting the class teacher.

I know it's a busy time of year, but when isn't it? If I was writing this in December posters would be telling me to wait till after xmas. Meanwhile parents have no idea what (or if) or when their children are being taught about gender ideology. In addition they're using a PSHE programme that encourages 5 year olds to keep secrets from their parents and the school aren't answering my very real concerns about this. This is a huge safeguarding issue. I'm not happy to just leave it till the next academic year when we aren't being told what or when these topics might be introduced.

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MrMucker · 20/06/2021 09:17

I'm pretty sure you've been flagged up in house as annoying.
There is little mention in your posts of your child, of their welfare, of their school experience,of the Covid restrictions and how this has limited their school experience.
This at a time when it widelyreported how kids of this age have suffered in the basics-wiping their bum, blowing their noes,dealing with their shoes, basic responding and talking to other people, holding a pen.
All YR teachers are running themselves ragged to make up this alleged deficit in kids' progress.

And then there's you, hammering away about a policy, insisting and quoting outside agencies, going to the top and not even taling with the person who actually works with your child, also, casting opinions on all the other parents, in one of your posts.
Im not saying your question is not important.
Im saying youve got your priorities and understanding of schools completely wrong.
What you are trying to achieve is something you ought to do in case of an actual complaint. In case of something having gone wrong, in case of your child coming to some sort of harm or being unhappy.

Are any of these things true?
You totally misread the role of the school. Number one is to keep your child cared for, progressing and making the most of the abilities they do and could have.

No mention of this at all in your posts. Presumably no mention of this at all in any of your emails or letters.
They will be face palming with every contact.
They work very very hard for your kid, and you want them to down tools for both your kid and all the other kids, so they can respond about a policy?
It's not the policy that counts as much as the individual teacher, and you haven't even spoken to them?
Get real.

Quisto · 20/06/2021 08:57

Isn't it known " anecdotally" ( on a previous MN thread ) that Jigsaw have told schools to ignore requests for clarification from concerned parents?

cansu · 20/06/2021 08:50

The school is too busy to get into gender ideology. I am guessing that the sum total of their teaching on this is some people may decide to live as a different gender. I doubt they have spent much time thinking about it which will be why you haven't yet had a response.

Kollamoolitumarellipawkyrollo · 20/06/2021 08:40

@WarriorN

Teachers have no influencing over the curriculum and plan for what they are told to teach by SLT.

Also, many teachers don't understand either the sex gender debates nor that materials their given which have been bought by the school (such as Kapow, jigsaw etc) could be an issue.

In some schools subject leaders have been asked to write their own schemes (I have for my subjects, I've bought in a couple of units here and there.)

Pshe may actually be being run by a young teacher with only 2-3 years of experience. RSE may be tacked on to that or again bought in via the LA or academy trust who may have organised an internal scheme or bought into one.

Also, nhs trusts can buy in orgs to deliver pshe and RSE training and content to schools. The nhs has funded lots of things such as the proud trust, if their Gp data shows lots of teens seeking help for sexuality and identity issues/ worries.

A young head may be clueless to any issues and even trust the teacher in charge to have looked at all the guidance themselves.

Ofsted said that they wanted subject leaders (many are not slt) to have a depth of knowledge of their subject, go on cpd etc and be able to construct a unique progressive scheme of work that suits the school cohort as well as follow the curriculum.

My own head has little clue of what I've put in our scheme for 2 different subjects (neither pshe or RSE). The deputy is in charge of curriculum but new to the school and starting to wade through it.

Then there's bloody twinkl. And Facebook groups where teachers share ideas and resources. "Has anyone done a PowerPoint on ..."

Quite frankly the Tories have created a perfect storm.

And in PSHE teacher facebook groups, most still recommend Stonewall and only ever use the term, ‘gender’.
WarriorN · 20/06/2021 08:31

Teachers have no influencing over the curriculum and plan for what they are told to teach by SLT.

Also, many teachers don't understand either the sex gender debates nor that materials their given which have been bought by the school (such as Kapow, jigsaw etc) could be an issue.

In some schools subject leaders have been asked to write their own schemes (I have for my subjects, I've bought in a couple of units here and there.)

Pshe may actually be being run by a young teacher with only 2-3 years of experience. RSE may be tacked on to that or again bought in via the LA or academy trust who may have organised an internal scheme or bought into one.

Also, nhs trusts can buy in orgs to deliver pshe and RSE training and content to schools. The nhs has funded lots of things such as the proud trust, if their Gp data shows lots of teens seeking help for sexuality and identity issues/ worries.

A young head may be clueless to any issues and even trust the teacher in charge to have looked at all the guidance themselves.

Ofsted said that they wanted subject leaders (many are not slt) to have a depth of knowledge of their subject, go on cpd etc and be able to construct a unique progressive scheme of work that suits the school cohort as well as follow the curriculum.

My own head has little clue of what I've put in our scheme for 2 different subjects (neither pshe or RSE). The deputy is in charge of curriculum but new to the school and starting to wade through it.

Then there's bloody twinkl. And Facebook groups where teachers share ideas and resources. "Has anyone done a PowerPoint on ..."

Quite frankly the Tories have created a perfect storm.

WarriorN · 20/06/2021 08:17

Kapow are a company that produce curriculum content/ schemes of work for primary schools.

fuckoff2020 · 20/06/2021 08:14

Teachers have no influencing over the curriculum and plan for what they are told to teach by SLT.

Schools are still wading through the shitshow that was Covid, dealing with the new variant and extra precautions that now have to be put back in place.

It's the last half term, schools are sorting transitions of classes, staffing, parents evenings, reports, Covid catch up data.....all whilst teaching the children, dealing with the usual last half term tiredness/boredom from children.

Please don't keep chasing the class teacher, they will be busy enough right now with actual important things.

Changeychangeychange · 20/06/2021 08:05

[quote MouseyTheVampireSlayer]This school (not my school) explains the difference well.
www.kapowprimary.com/blog/what-is-the-difference-between-rse-and-pshe/[/quote]
Thank you, this is helpful.

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MouseyTheVampireSlayer · 19/06/2021 21:34

The DfE have said gender and identity is non statutory. This means schools don't have to teach it and if they do there's no framework to follow. However, there are guidelines they must follow if they do. For example they're not allowed to promote stereotypes and assigned at birth etc.
www.google.com/amp/s/schoolsweek.co.uk/cancel-culture-gender-stereotypes-and-extreme-political-stances-what-new-dfe-guidance-says-about-rse/amp/

MouseyTheVampireSlayer · 19/06/2021 21:29

This school (not my school) explains the difference well.
www.kapowprimary.com/blog/what-is-the-difference-between-rse-and-pshe/

Changeychangeychange · 19/06/2021 18:30

Actually, I don't think I fully understand the difference between RSE and PSHE, and what statutory/non statutory means in this context. Can anyone help me? Might prove helpful when (if?) I finally get to talk to someone.

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Changeychangeychange · 19/06/2021 18:21

I've emailed the head twice (via the school office email as no direct email for the head is publicised) and then the class teacher on Friday. No reply yet but of course it is the weekend. On Monday I shall ask the class teacher if she's seen my email - she will have done of course.

I know it's a busy time for schools but really it is unacceptable to ignore and hope my queries will go away. This would never be acceptable in my field of work (also public sector). I'm really hoping to meet with the head as the equality policy is all gender and not sex, etc. Its not just the Jigsaw concerns - although this is what I mentioned in my email.

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Holidayhomeone · 19/06/2021 10:57

Sorry just seen RSE is different to PSHE. PSHE is non-statutory

Holidayhomeone · 19/06/2021 10:53

My school policy doesn’t really mention anything about gender ideology. The only mentions are that diversity needs to be taken into account when delivering RSE - religion, gender, sexual orientation etc all affect access. And no avoid gender and sexual stereotyping.
Does yours say something specific?

Beamur · 19/06/2021 10:28

Schools are pretty busy places and this year especially.
I would politely follow up with the Head if you haven't received a reply.
The DoE guidelines are clear and helpful about how this subject should be covered. I agree that it is useful in schools to tell children at an early age about how not everyone is the same. Also agree that the teaching has to be reflecting the law accurately.

YellowFish12 · 19/06/2021 10:22

Seems the way forward for many progressive countries, and this is the outcome of the line being pushed here. Difference is bad. Must be suppressed and certainly not taught to the children! Don't then complain when religious groups want no LGBT and diversity education at all

That is highly disingenuous and you know it.

Difference is normal and good.

Telling small children that the fact that they don’t fully conform to harmful gender stereotypes is in fact bad, and means they are actually the wrong sex, but good news, they can change their biological sex and actually become the opposite sex - now THAT is bad

toffeebutterpopcorn · 19/06/2021 10:21

Schools should teach... the 3 Rs, to respect everyone and not be a jerk.

The ‘diversity’ teaching in schools seems to be along one specific line - why is this?

MishyJDI · 19/06/2021 10:16

Hungary this week banned the teaching of diversity in schools - especially LGBT. Perhaps this is the way forward? Ensure that no child learns that there is diversity in humans, and making sure they conform to a hetero-normative socialised state where the boys feel social pressure to no longer be princesses, reinforcing patriarchal structures and misogyny.

Seems the way forward for many progressive countries, and this is the outcome of the line being pushed here. Difference is bad. Must be suppressed and certainly not taught to the children! Don't then complain when religious groups want no LGBT and diversity education at all.

Do we really want this in our society? Slippery slope here. Very slippery....

R0wantrees · 19/06/2021 09:46

Governors must be made aware.

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/redflagsa4.pdf

I think school may be ignoring my emails re: gender identity
jeaux90 · 19/06/2021 09:41

Honestly I would make an appointment to speak to the head. It's what I did but I also rang the provider. The school had sent an email out with a leaflet outlining what would be covered, explained it would be delivered by the local school nurse team so I called them and had the conversation, no, gender identity wasn't going to be taught. Good.

The meeting with the Head was more about the fact they had the policy wrong (protected characteristic citing gender identity and hadn't included sex) which they hurriedly corrected.

The meeting was really good with the head, I got everything covered and he even asked for advise about material covering the topics so of course I recommended Transgender Trend. I did lean heavily into the safeguarding issues, it should peak their interest levels somewhat after all.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 19/06/2021 09:21

They can’t just ignore this and hope it goes away. They have to nail their colours to the mast, one way or another.

R0wantrees · 19/06/2021 09:18

It is appropriate to include the school governors especially when raising serious Safeguarding concerns and because the school may be in contravention of Department of Education statutory guidance. They have ultimate responsibility for the whole school (pupils, staff and community).

GoWalkabout · 19/06/2021 09:10

I would assume that they are terrified of being on the wrong side of the argument and haven't a clue which is right. And sticking head in sand. I would follow up gently with any of the recent rulings and concerns as reported in the press and acknowledge that this area will be difficult for the school because of the range of attitudes and opinions and strong feelings - but that your concerns are safeguarding, education and good governance, which is why you are asking and providing information and you wonder what governance conversations the school are having about their approach which you hope takes into account all these same concerns.

Leafstamp · 19/06/2021 08:40

Did you get any response @Changeychangeychange?

I’m still waiting. The more time that goes by the more suspicious I am that school have not got a handle on these issues. Very worrying.

I wouldn’t mind if they just came out and said “thank you for your email, we are looking into it and expect to reply by X”.

It’s the radio silence that is ominous, and quite frankly unprofessional.

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