Why aren't transactivists gender-critical?

At the end of the day, there are transwomen more informed about feminism than both you and I, and there are idiots. There are also completely idiotic feminists who are cis, they too get platforms.

Sure, if you want to believe that, go for it. I, and I expect a huge number of learned feminists, will believe otherwise.

For interest, which trans people do you consider well informed about feminism? I am always up for reading for balance and like to read papers and studies. So please recommend some.

It's not a cool statistic at all.

Think what you're writing please. That's an awful thing to say. And again- on a women's rights board.

Cool statistic, doesn't prove your point that sharing public spaces is dangerous. I've explained sex/gender so many times I don't want to repeat myself.

At the end of the day, there are transwomen more informed about feminism than both you and I,

Well you're half right

Someone cant be a female. Someone can be a female person. My problem with females is it sounds creepy/predatory. Other alternatives are: transwomen, or if you want to refer to ciswomen... call them ciswomen.

No. I am not a ‘cis’ anything. I am a female. I am a woman. But since you insist on including males in the definition of woman, I am left using my sex category.

At the end of the day, there are transwomen more informed about feminism than both you and I, and there are idiots. There are also completely idiotic feminists who are cis, they too get platforms.

Gender is assigned because of their sex however the sex itself isn't what dictates the value of the child.

Tell that to the 177 million missing females, largely due to sex specific abortion.

The lie is that sharing public spaces with transwomen is dangerous. It's annoying please don't mention it.

Men as a class constitute a risk to women as a class. They commit 98% of all sex crime. It might 'annoy' you to have that spoken of, but I'm afraid that's too bad.

And please don't tell women what they can and can't say.

So women is anyone who says they are a woman, is uncomfortable with the sex/ gender role imposed on them because they are male.

Or any other reason.

Gotcha.

Go for it Gerbil. I have no proprietary claim here.

at women on the feminism board having the same ideas as sexually predatory incel/MRA blokes.

This is another distraction.

I didn't realise you wanted a term to refer to all women, that's simple: women.

Being a transwoman means you have to overcome more adversary, being both a woman and trans. When someone has transitioned they can get a pretty good understanding of the female experience. But with a unique angle on it because of them also being trans.

Transpeople have insight on the discrimination and needs of transpeople. They do not have the knowledge or experience of the opposite sex class- Ie. Transwomen do not have ‘a good understanding of the female experience’.

You don’t have to look far to see the prominent trans spokespeople to see that they usually have little experience or empathy. I’d suggest you look at Grace Laverty’s definition of a woman over the past day or two. Or the two trans influencers who mocked the toilet habits of females on IWD this year and the noises of urine hitting the bowl when a female goes to the toilet. One of those is appearing on tv and radio as a feminist spokesperson. I can come up with many more examples. Examples of misogynistic behaviour that certainly shows not even empathy.

Of course, there are quite a few trans spokespeople who do not seek to represent females at all. They acknowledge they don’t have the same experiences.

Oh sorry I answered on hellebores behalf!

Apologies hellebore.

'Other alternatives are: transwomen, or if you want to refer to ciswomen... call them ciswomen.'

You're saying that there are no acceptable terms to refer to the female half of the human race as s group?

Girls/ women. No.
Females or similar. No. And anyway I've seen plenty of transwomen who say they are female and have been from birth.
Ciswomen. No- doesn't include female non binary, transmen, other genders, and also excludes an lot of (female humans!). So that doesn't work.

Helleofabore Are you getting confused between trans men and women. To clarify, a transwomen is a person who was born a man but later transitioned to a woman. And vice versa. I don't particularly care about the female thing but it is grammatically incorrect and makes you sound like a predator (at least in my opinion).

What about the girls aborted because of their sex that I mentioned? The estimates of 'missing girls' is massive.

More than the girls who were taken by Isis?

More than the victims of genocide? Eg Uighar people in China that's been recognised as genocide by UK USA Germany etc?

Someone cant be a female. Someone can be a female person. My problem with females is it sounds creepy/predatory. Other alternatives are: transwomen, or if you want to refer to ciswomen... call them ciswomen.

It is a category that includes all females regardless of how they identify.

Please tell me exactly what ‘trans feminism’ can ‘add’ to a discussion about sexist discrimination experienced by females unless that person was a transman? A male identifying as a woman can certainly discuss the discrimination they face, it might even have some similarities to that experienced by a female. But it is not the same.

If I can't call women women without including transwomen.

(You have indicated not believing transwomen are women is a problem).

And I can't call them females.

Then what options are left???

Being a transwoman means you have to overcome more adversary, being both a woman and trans. When someone has transitioned they can get a pretty good understanding of the female experience. But with a unique angle on it because of them also being trans.

You will never convince me that a male who has never experienced discrimination due to their female body is more deserving of an opportunity set aside to progress females because of that very reason, because of their female body. That females have experienced for millennia and still experience today. Sexist discrimination. Due to our biology that has been also exploited by males forever.

I would like to know why you think a male is ‘arguably more deserving’ of the opportunity that was set aside for females (including transmen).

Obviously, a role that is heavily focused on women shouldn't go to a transwomen especially one that's just transitioned recently. However, a panel with 2 cis and 2 trans women could be beneficial as trans feminism is still important in the discussion. I doubt the first example has happened however and I have no idea what your third paragraph means.
Finnally, don't call women 'females' its creepy

And certainly if you look around the world I'm sure there's plenty.

The focus on UK/ USA and maybe AUs / Canada is incredibly narrow. I find it frustrating.

The point and conversation around it stands though.

I thought it was an interesting discussion.