Why aren't transactivists gender-critical?

Barheim, just let me see if I’ve got this right - you believe that what makes someone a woman or a man is something entirely internal that only they themselves can identify. And you believe people should be permitted to access women’s or men’s single-sex spaces accordingly, based on this self-identified, self-declared, unverifiable something internal? Have I got that right?

So gender can be defined as: Does this purple smell like the number four?

So I'm trying to understand here, do you just feel your body is wrong? Or is it something else? E.g. what is there meaningful that you can do as a man you can't do as a woman?

My body is my body, it can't be wrong or right, I can change external characteristics of it thanks to the wonders of modern medicine.

Everything I can do as a man was what I could do as a woman (besides legally entering some spaces, but that's not why I transitioned), I didn't transition because I 'wanted to do something as a man that I can't as a woman', I needed to be referred to as who I am, which is a man.

by your explanation of gender, it can only mean an internal belief based on nothing or anything, depending on the individual. Something that literally cannot be defined, examined, questioned. Do you agree with that summary?

No.

Genders' incredibly difficult and honestly I'm not going to write a novel about it, especially when I'm not getting paid and especially not with the crowd of Mumsnet dot com, but I will slim it down to 'it's a self-defined trait of oneself usually in association with the gender of people around you'.

Well I'm drinking beer, and I'm a woman.

Watch out or they'll tell you to transition for being 'too masculine to be a woman, wouldn't you be better off just living as a transman and dressing as a woman sometimes'.

No that's Travis Alabanza.

Sorry! I was wrong.

It was alok's friend Travis

theatreanddance.britishcouncil.org/blog/2020/travisalabanza/

Is Alok the one who did a one person theatre thing about a burger?

Iirc it was after someone (I think a man) threw a burger at Alok on the street. Alok was angry that no WOMEN stepped in.

I'll check in case that's wrong...

Being... acknowledged as a man. As in having others address you with your correct pronouns, calling you a guy, letting you enter the men's without comment, whatever.

So I'm trying to understand here, do you just feel your body is wrong? Or is it something else? E.g. what is there meaningful that you can do as a man you can't do as a woman?

And in doing that, you paint stereotypes of us that aren't reflective of reality.

Not really. Gender doesn't just affect trans people. What is it based on, if not sex or sex role stereotypes?

How can you have a gender if it’s not based on biological sex and it’s not based on sexist stereotypes? It’s got to be something if you are it, so what is a man or a woman?

Chin, chin @Ereshkigalangcleg

Sorry, men, barring those with a medical condition, don't come with G Cup breasts.

It is all bonkers. Not gender dysphoria, that is real, being straight, gay or both but anything else is just ridiculous stereotyping.,

Not "correct" pronouns. Pronouns that people are compelled to use for fear of losing their jobs, being threatened, attacked etc.

I'd log off and touch grass if I were you and you think this is reality.

Well I'm drinking beer, and I'm a woman.

But men don't naturally come with G cup breasts.
Gynecomastia makes for tremendous breasts, I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

It's a choice you do to yourself.
Having G-cup breasts? No, not really.

@Barheim by your explanation of gender, it can only mean an internal belief based on nothing or anything, depending on the individual. Something that literally cannot be defined, examined, questioned. Do you agree with that summary?

I'm reminded of the adage.
If you can't explain your position to a novice, then you probably don't understand what you're saying as well as you think you do.

What does being acknowledged as a man mean (other than higher wages and being let off tea making duties)?

Being... acknowledged as a man. As in having others address you with your correct pronouns, calling you a guy, letting you enter the men's without comment, whatever.

The higher wages and being let off tea making duties aren't going to happen when you transition, by the way, but trans people are already aware of that.

I don't think you understand the feminist definition of gender we are referring to. We don't subscribe to the same beliefs as you, that gender is innate. Gender is just stereotypes to us.

And in doing that, you paint stereotypes of us that aren't reflective of reality.

But men don't naturally come with G cup breasts.
It's a choice you do to yourself.
It's not something that happens to you. You make a choice to TRANSITION. The clue is in the name.
You're not coming across as very clear.

And, no. Transwomen are not women. They are transwomen.

I don't think you understand the feminist definition of gender we are referring to. We don't subscribe to the same beliefs as you, that gender is innate. Gender is just stereotypes to us. There is nothing to base it on, apart from sex. Otherwise, why would people need to identify as the opposite sex in the first place? Without the belief in gender identity ideology it all seems very flimsy and insubstantial to many women, who experience oppression based on our female sex.

I find it incredibly ironic that the people who argue that they're 'gender critical' are arguing that trans men aren't men because they dress in a feminine manner for however many times.

GC people argue that you can be a human being and dress however you want whatever sex body you have.