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Debunking trans teen suicide stats

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33feethighandrising · 14/06/2021 16:19

I've just got off the phone with DS's school, who are telling me that one of the reasons they have Allsorts in school, doing assemblies and one-to-ones with the children is that they have trans kids in the school and that if they don't support them they're at risk of suicide.

I asked her where she'd got that information from and she said it was a widely known fact.

Obviously, we all want to support troubled kids and there are many ways to support kids that aren't Allsorts, but just on the suicide stats, can anyone help me with this point?

I know I've read some thorough debunking of the suicide stats but I can't remember where now.

I'm thankful they're not telling the DC this at least (because of suicidal contagion) but it's informing their decision to work with Allsorts.

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33feethighandrising · 14/06/2021 16:44

@nauticant

The head didn't accept any link between children being affirmed as trans by school and later going on to medical intervention.

Was that said in the knowledge of the findings in the Keira Bell High Court case? If so, then I suspect you're dealing with someone coming from a faith-based position and they'll unthinkingly deny anything you say that doesn't fit in with that.

Yes, she obviously believes what she's being told, but I didn't get the impression she was a raging TRA.

I think you're right, though, her instinct is to deny what I say if it doesn't fit with the ideology.

If you read the Guardian, trust organisations like Stonewall and Amnesty to tell you the truth (as I once did!) then it's not hard to go along with this stuff. To realise it's all bollocks, you have to accept that organisations you once trusted are basically lying to you. I didn't expect to peak the school with one call, top be fair.

I'm just one lone voice and people they trust (e.g. Allsorts) are telling them there's no problem here.

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33feethighandrising · 14/06/2021 16:40

@nauticant

FWIW my problem with Allsorts in the school is that they're teaching the kids gender ideology as fact, e.g. saying that trans people are born trans and promoting transition as benign (their website says puberty blockers are harmless, FFS).

You can tackle that and show that Allsorts are giving out incorrect information by pointing out that recently the NHS changed its view:

Little is known about the long-term side effects of hormone or puberty blockers in children with gender dysphoria.

Although GIDS advises this is a physically reversible treatment if stopped, it is not known what the psychological effects may be.

It's also not known whether hormone blockers affect the development of the teenage brain or children's bones. Side effects may also include hot flushes, fatigue and mood alterations.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/treatment/

Of course, they could respond by declaring the NHS to be "transphobic" too.

Yes, I did that. I quoted the NHS and the DfE at them in the letter I sent.

They are unconcerned with anything to do with medical transition as they do not accept that having Allsorts in to do assemblies teaching ideology as fact, supporting children to be "their true selves" and referring them to Allsorts has anything at all to do with them undergoing medical transition at a later date.

The head does not accept that the rise in DC transitioning is because of social contagion, she thinks it's to do with a more accepting society.

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toffeebutterpopcorn · 14/06/2021 16:39

So there was rampant child suicides up to now and noone noticed? Is that what they are saying?

I can honestly say that in all my years as school there were no suicides of my classmates.

One little boy was hit by a train in primary 1 but that was it.

Thingybob · 14/06/2021 16:39

Even without debunking any stats, I would point out that if the school believes some of their pupils are suicidal or potentially suicidal then they should be referring to CAMHS. School staff do not have the expertise to intervene or provide any sort of psychological intervention.

nauticant · 14/06/2021 16:32

The head didn't accept any link between children being affirmed as trans by school and later going on to medical intervention.

Was that said in the knowledge of the findings in the Keira Bell High Court case? If so, then I suspect you're dealing with someone coming from a faith-based position and they'll unthinkingly deny anything you say that doesn't fit in with that.

nauticant · 14/06/2021 16:29

FWIW my problem with Allsorts in the school is that they're teaching the kids gender ideology as fact, e.g. saying that trans people are born trans and promoting transition as benign (their website says puberty blockers are harmless, FFS).

You can tackle that and show that Allsorts are giving out incorrect information by pointing out that recently the NHS changed its view:

Little is known about the long-term side effects of hormone or puberty blockers in children with gender dysphoria.

Although GIDS advises this is a physically reversible treatment if stopped, it is not known what the psychological effects may be.

It's also not known whether hormone blockers affect the development of the teenage brain or children's bones. Side effects may also include hot flushes, fatigue and mood alterations.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/treatment/

Of course, they could respond by declaring the NHS to be "transphobic" too.

nauticant · 14/06/2021 16:26

You'll often see these links as presenting an alternative assessment:
lilymaynard.com/hyperbole-and-the-trans-suicide-myth/
www.transgendertrend.com/suicide-by-trans-identified-children-in-england-and-wales/

Bear in mind though that trans activists will dismiss those articles by declaring the organisation involved to be "transphobic".

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33feethighandrising · 14/06/2021 16:21

FWIW my problem with Allsorts in the school is that they're teaching the kids gender ideology as fact, e.g. saying that trans people are born trans and promoting transition as benign (their website says puberty blockers are harmless, FFS).

I think what they're doing is indoctrinating the children and leading them down a pathway that will end up with some of them on life long medication and possible surgery.

The head didn't accept any link between children being affirmed as trans by school and later going on to medical intervention.

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