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boydy99 · 13/06/2021 06:59

I dont know if anyone else has seen this yet. My organisation is also public sector and pro Stonewall so wondering how long it is until we have a similar policy.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/aec64082-cbb4-11eb-b575-81b2a16c3be4?shareToken=203864c87d5e4519397c8dea43d8a407

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TabithaTiger · 13/06/2021 16:29

@RedDogsBeg

TabithaTiger They do!

Like hell they do and singling out one or other 'special' group and elevating their status above all others which is what this does excludes other groups, it's empty, vanity halo polishing, virtue signalling the total opposite of well meaning and has no place in an organisation that should treat everybody who uses it equally and with respect and dignity.

Furthermore sexuality and gender are NOT protected characteristics so why are people being asked about them, what purpose does that serve?

The NHS has one job - to serve the public that pays for it, it does not have a remit to jump on the latest political bandwagon and use tax payer money to do so.

Sexual orientation is a protected characteristic.
GreyhoundG1rl · 13/06/2021 16:16

@RedDogsBeg

TabithaTiger They do!

Like hell they do and singling out one or other 'special' group and elevating their status above all others which is what this does excludes other groups, it's empty, vanity halo polishing, virtue signalling the total opposite of well meaning and has no place in an organisation that should treat everybody who uses it equally and with respect and dignity.

Furthermore sexuality and gender are NOT protected characteristics so why are people being asked about them, what purpose does that serve?

The NHS has one job - to serve the public that pays for it, it does not have a remit to jump on the latest political bandwagon and use tax payer money to do so.

Well said 👏
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RedDogsBeg · 13/06/2021 15:04

TabithaTiger They do!

Like hell they do and singling out one or other 'special' group and elevating their status above all others which is what this does excludes other groups, it's empty, vanity halo polishing, virtue signalling the total opposite of well meaning and has no place in an organisation that should treat everybody who uses it equally and with respect and dignity.

Furthermore sexuality and gender are NOT protected characteristics so why are people being asked about them, what purpose does that serve?

The NHS has one job - to serve the public that pays for it, it does not have a remit to jump on the latest political bandwagon and use tax payer money to do so.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 13/06/2021 14:21

If you look at the lanyards, you'll see some staff have lots of badges pinned on - Pride network, Purple network, BAME network, freedom to speak up champion, flu champion, etc. This isn't anything new

Genuinely, what is the point? I'd like to assume that all NHS workers support everyone. Are you saying that staff not wearing badge bedecked lanyards are out and proud bigots? If they are then they shouldn't be working for the NHS. If they are not what is the point in divisive lanyards?

Thymeinthegarden · 13/06/2021 14:17

How I loathe the term 'ally'.

And that term definitely says 'Hi! I've been politically captured! fgs don't risk saying anything about needing sex based rights or expect to be an unfettered homosexual near me or you risk being charged with a hate crime. Have a lovely day!'

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/06/2021 14:12

They're NHS healthcare workers, they're supposed to treat everyone equally, without favour.

Exactly.

christinarossetti19 · 13/06/2021 14:08

"I can't tell if the people wearing them are really LGB-friendly or whether they're wearing them because they're a bit homophobic and feel a bit guilty about it, so decide to take the pledge so no one suspects" as Shedbuilder says.

People wearing these lanyards actually make it more difficult for patients, visitors or other staff to complain about homophobia because 'they can't be homophobic, they're wearing a rainbow lanyard'.

GreyhoundG1rl · 13/06/2021 13:59

They're supposed to be completely impartial. What on earth is a flu champion, anyway?

334bu · 13/06/2021 13:58

Thanks for video clip. It always comes down to money and how much we can make by forcing people to virtue signal.

TabithaTiger · 13/06/2021 13:57

@Greencoatblue

They do!

Then they need to demonstrate that by wearing as many lanyards as there are subsets of patients/staff. Might get a bit heavy and clunky though so maybe it's better not to wear any rather than pick out one group. For instance, TabithaTiger, it would appear you don't wear a purple lanyard, don't you want to be an ally to the disabled?

If you look at the lanyards, you'll see some staff have lots of badges pinned on - Pride network, Purple network, BAME network, freedom to speak up champion, flu champion, etc. This isn't anything new.
GromblesOfGrimbledon · 13/06/2021 13:49
GreyhoundG1rl · 13/06/2021 13:48

What Greencoatblue said. You've completely missed the point, TabithaTiger, didn't you understand it? What bit confused you?

Greencoatblue · 13/06/2021 13:43

They do!

Then they need to demonstrate that by wearing as many lanyards as there are subsets of patients/staff. Might get a bit heavy and clunky though so maybe it's better not to wear any rather than pick out one group. For instance, TabithaTiger, it would appear you don't wear a purple lanyard, don't you want to be an ally to the disabled?

TabithaTiger · 13/06/2021 13:05

@GreyhoundG1rl

In reality, many minority groups do not receive an equitable experience of healthcare, not just LGBT. Women, BAME, people with disabilities. Then maybe the NHS should be making pledges to treat everyone equally, not selecting one tiny minority group to assure them of their elevated status Hmm
They do!
GreyhoundG1rl · 13/06/2021 13:03

@Ritasueandbobtoo9

I find the rainbow badge/lanyard frankly terrifying.
Ditto.
Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 13/06/2021 13:02

I find the rainbow badge/lanyard frankly terrifying.

GreyhoundG1rl · 13/06/2021 12:59

In reality, many minority groups do not receive an equitable experience of healthcare, not just LGBT. Women, BAME, people with disabilities.
Then maybe the NHS should be making pledges to treat everyone equally, not selecting one tiny minority group to assure them of their elevated status Hmm

GromblesOfGrimbledon · 13/06/2021 12:58

Get back to me when all NHS staff take a pledge to have some Deaf awareness and understanding of the need to book qualified interpreters for Deaf BSL users.

Then I'll give a flying fuck about empty pledges to the rainbow brigade.

TabithaTiger · 13/06/2021 12:57

@Deliriumoftheendless

If LGBT people feel it is difficult to access NHS healthcare (or anyone else for that matter) I think some deeper thinking and more radical action is required than wearing a lanyard tbh.

Training, full on media campaigns- isn’t this how it used to be done?

I totally see the need for something that signposts a specific skill or service eg badges that state the wearer is trained in BSL or multilingual so it’s obvious who you need to speak to about a specific need, but the NHS is should be for all, with equal treatment (that meets a specific need).
If we are to believe the NHS is riddled with homo/transphobia we need more than rainbow lanyards to sort it.

You're absolutely correct. The badges/lanyards are a small thing that staff have chosen to do to show support, I agree it won't have any real impact.

In reality, many minority groups do not receive an equitable experience of healthcare, not just LGBT. Women, BAME, people with disabilities. The issue goes much higher than trust level though. The NHS is run by white men, however much training, funding, etc, there's a limit to what can be achieved without real, fundamental change where the power is held.

In my view, people getting all worked up about well meaning NHS employees wearing an LGBT badge just distracts from the real issues.

GreyhoundG1rl · 13/06/2021 12:55

agree with @TabithaTiger - this really isn’t as big a deal as it is being portrayed. The pledge is basically just so that by getting a rainbow badge you are actually agreeing to be an ally and not just to get a pretty badge.
They're NHS healthcare workers, they're supposed to treat everyone equally, without favour.
Why do they need to display their allegiance to any cause whilst at work, and what is an "ally" in that context anyway?

I'd certainly regard that badge with deep suspicion.

PearPickingPorky · 13/06/2021 12:55

The annual NHS staff survey collects data about sexuality and gender, this is optional though so won't include anyone.

But does it define the terms "sexuality" and or "gender"?

If not, what data is it actually collecting?

TabithaTiger · 13/06/2021 12:50

@PearPickingPorky

The Pride network (which, in my trust, is 80% lesbian or bi women) initiated the badges. The idea is to make LGBT people feel supported and feel safe to be open about being gay at work, if they want to do so.

80% lesbian or bi women, you say. I wonder how they established that statistic and what terminology was used in doing so.

I'm a member of the network so I know most of the members very well, this isn't official data, just my own estimate (I should have said that).

We do ask for data about sexuality and gender in the annual staff survey (which is optional so doesn't include everyone). The annual NHS staff survey collects data about sexuality and gender, this is optional though so won't include anyone. The majority of those who chose to disclose their sexuality are lesbian women. My trust is over 80% female which explains why less gay men.

Shedbuilder · 13/06/2021 11:31

@TabithaTiger

This is really normal in the NHS. We have them at my Trust, as well as rainbow lanyards. Anyone who wants one makes a pledge to say that they support LGBT+ people. It's completely voluntary and there's no pressure on anyone to sign up.
I'm a lesbian. I dread these people with their lanyards. I can't tell if the people wearing them are really LGB-friendly or whether they're wearing them because they're a bit homophobic and feel a bit guilty about it, so decide to take the pledge so no one suspects. It's human nature. Maybe they have a camp gay brother and they love him — but that doesn't mean they're going to be comfortable with a butch lesbian. There's a lot of low-level discomfort and homophobia at all levels in the NHS and lanyards aren't the solution.
AfternoonToffee · 13/06/2021 11:20

And this is the BA one that goes into the above case as well.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21025332.amp

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