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If you can't get your head around WTF "Gender Identity" is about, try this:

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Melroses · 12/06/2021 12:54

It is by The State Media who made another film last year.

I am trying it out on confused relatives.

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CatGardenDog · 14/06/2021 13:35

Hopefully, ‘member’ is still re-writing in their own words and, once it’s complete, will reveal it with a flourish? Otherwise, they’ve disappeared in best plopper tradition 🤔

As pointed out in the excellent video, you’d think that, if you’d got an important point to make you’d be very clear what that point was, be able to defend it robustly and want to talk about it rather than disappearing from a forum which would give you the perfect, attentive, eager -to -debate audience!

JediGnot · 14/06/2021 13:03

@Member869894

'Gender identity is the unmeasurable and shifting notion of what a person thinks they may feel at any specific moment in time about a fluid and changeable concept that either correlates with or denies their innate biological sex or alternatively corresponds with that persons estimation of their opposite sex predicated on their own personal perception of a stereotypical yet ultimately unknowable and reductive abstraction of an assumption of that sex for which they have no frame of reference to even begin to understand'

This is just ridiculously verbose and badly written

Can you point out which bits could be removed without taking away highly relevant meaning?
Excilente · 14/06/2021 10:39

Gender ID is the notion of what a person feels they may be based on societally accepted gender stereotypes.

There, made it easier.

Defaultname · 14/06/2021 10:17

(Puts on wig). It is I, Mademoiselle, Leclerc !

(Takes off wig). It is I, Monsieur Leclerc !

JustcameoutGC · 14/06/2021 10:07

I really like how he talks about society in this. TRAs tend to make these arguments very personal, based on sometimes heart breaking experiences of individuals. It is very easy to be swayed by these stories and miss the broader societal implications of replacing sex with gender identity.

This is a great way to keep reframing the argument.

CatGardenDog · 14/06/2021 09:16

Member869894, can I just say that I love your name? Member really suits you, although the numbers are splendid too, obviously 😆

Sadly, I think the video must have gone over your head. Maybe you should take another look and write things down in your own words to share with us all?

KrakowDawn · 14/06/2021 08:56

@Member869894

'Gender identity is the unmeasurable and shifting notion of what a person thinks they may feel at any specific moment in time about a fluid and changeable concept that either correlates with or denies their innate biological sex or alternatively corresponds with that persons estimation of their opposite sex predicated on their own personal perception of a stereotypical yet ultimately unknowable and reductive abstraction of an assumption of that sex for which they have no frame of reference to even begin to understand'

This is just ridiculously verbose and badly written

Please feel free to write a more succinct version and share it here.
AgathaChristiesFurcoat · 14/06/2021 08:39

Place marking so I can find it again!

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Melroses · 14/06/2021 08:36

🤣

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Member869894 · 14/06/2021 01:38

'Gender identity is the unmeasurable and shifting notion of what a person thinks they may feel at any specific moment in time about a fluid and changeable concept that either correlates with or denies their innate biological sex or alternatively corresponds with that persons estimation of their opposite sex predicated on their own personal perception of a stereotypical yet ultimately unknowable and reductive abstraction of an assumption of that sex for which they have no frame of reference to even begin to understand'

This is just ridiculously verbose and badly written

Nonmaquillee · 13/06/2021 23:42

Thanks - I shall pass it on 😊

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Melroses · 13/06/2021 23:35

Glad to see people like it.

I thought the explanations were really clear and it took all the stress out of trying to work out what was going on. The out take at the end was fun too.

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DaisiesandButtercups · 13/06/2021 19:28

@Whatsnewpussyhat

I'd like flyers printed of this. Or stickers.
Me too! It is so clear and would be great if it were widely disseminated.
80sMum · 13/06/2021 09:29

Many thanks for the link. I've watched the video and found it very helpful.

BlackAlys · 13/06/2021 08:53

Place marking

Whatsnewpussyhat · 13/06/2021 08:46

I'd like flyers printed of this. Or stickers.

If you can't get your head around WTF "Gender Identity" is about, try this:
DisappearingGirl · 13/06/2021 08:10

That was a really useful video.

StayCalm99 · 13/06/2021 07:54

I've saved that clip.

FrancesGumm · 13/06/2021 07:24

Oh I love that definition ! I have screen-shot for future use. Smile

Erikrie · 13/06/2021 00:22

Really good video. 👍

Secretusername3 · 13/06/2021 00:16

Really good video. It’s breathed a bit of air into many assumptions.

Thelnebriati · 12/06/2021 23:41

''Gender identity is the unmeasurable and shifting notion of what a person thinks they may feel at any specific moment in time about a fluid and changeable concept that either correlates with or denies their innate biological sex or alternatively corresponds with that persons estimation of their opposite sex predicated on their own personal perception of a stereotypical yet ultimately unknowable and reductive abstraction of an assumption of that sex for which they have no frame of reference to even begin to understand.''

Shedbuilder · 12/06/2021 22:57

Excellent. I will share it far and wide. The homophobia and misogyny are so obvious. How can anyone not spot it.

I'm also glad that it's voiced/ written by a man. I've said pretty much what it's saying so many times and not been listened to. I know people have rolled their eyes and thought I'm being hysterical. Maybe, as they must be sexist to believe in gender ideology in the first place, the fact that a man is saying what I've been saying will get through.

Coconutmeg · 12/06/2021 21:49

I’ll watch that.
But what a great definition of gender identity

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Melroses · 12/06/2021 19:17

They made a picture for twitter. Here it is.

If you can't get your head around WTF "Gender Identity" is about, try this:
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