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FWR proposals - discriminatory?

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Tibtom · 12/06/2021 10:54

We have just had it clarified that believing you cannot change sex is a protected belief (as well as a scientific fact). MN are now proposing to separate those with this belief as intrinsic to women's rights from discussion of women's rights. It feels like an attempt to silence the voice of those with this protected characteristic and stop them taking part in this discussion.

I believe this would be discrimination based on the protected characteristic of belief.

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EmbarrassingAdmissions · 12/06/2021 11:18

@Floisme

This is supposed to be a discussion board, not a safe space.
AIBU, Doghouse, some TV topics - there aren't many safe spaces (in the conventional meaning) on MN.

It feels the world is startled at the reality of women.

purpleboy · 12/06/2021 11:17

@motogogo

The way I read it was because all discussion on general women's rights gets railroaded by trans issues. I'm not saying that trans issues aren't a major concern to many but there's other issues to discuss and it's not helpful to see them getting drawn into a certain narrative. Splitting the subject allows those who wish to discuss wider women's rights a safe space without being told they are wrong because they support the rights of those who are transgender, my DD's (and many young people) are in this camp.

I'm not saying whose right or wrong, just that everyone deserves a voice

I don't get it though, how can you discuss issues that affect women if we can't say who is a woman, it dilutes the problems.
Floisme · 12/06/2021 11:16

And I object to the insinuation that I don't support the rights of those who are transgender. The point of disagreement is over who is entitled to women's rights

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Tibtom · 12/06/2021 11:16

Your posts are not being moved away.

For now. But if any post discussing impact of males being allowed into women's refuges or safeguarding of girls in schools because boys are allowed in girls changing rooms is moved to a quieter/less publically visible site then the poster has suffeted a detriment due to their beliefs and that is discrimination.

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Floisme · 12/06/2021 11:15

This is supposed to be a discussion board, not a safe space.

motogogo · 12/06/2021 11:12

The way I read it was because all discussion on general women's rights gets railroaded by trans issues. I'm not saying that trans issues aren't a major concern to many but there's other issues to discuss and it's not helpful to see them getting drawn into a certain narrative. Splitting the subject allows those who wish to discuss wider women's rights a safe space without being told they are wrong because they support the rights of those who are transgender, my DD's (and many young people) are in this camp.

I'm not saying whose right or wrong, just that everyone deserves a voice

Datun · 12/06/2021 11:07

@Cailin66

What does FWR mean, I see it everywhere and googled but I cannot figure it out.
Well, ironically, it's the title of the board before they moved it the last time! Feminism and Women's Rights. However, the name stuck.

This time it might be identity politics some people are objecting to seeing but many people, generally, disapprove of women organising to fight for their rights. It doesn't really matter what the focus is.

Orangecircling · 12/06/2021 11:07

The board is active because of this subject, the other boards will be quieter.

Your posts are not being moved away. There's currently 6 titles under feminist chat and they are mostly a bit vague or underused. Clarity is good.

FOJN · 12/06/2021 11:07

FWR was changed to feminism chat, presumably women's rights are antagonistic to some people!

yourhairiswinterfire · 12/06/2021 11:05

@Cailin66

What does FWR mean, I see it everywhere and googled but I cannot figure it out.
It refers to this board. It stands for Feminism/Women's Rights, I believe :)
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Tibtom · 12/06/2021 11:04

Feminism and women's rights

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Cailin66 · 12/06/2021 11:02

What does FWR mean, I see it everywhere and googled but I cannot figure it out.

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Tibtom · 12/06/2021 11:02

Subject headings are not equality discrimination. Slightly bonkers idea.

Having you posts moved away from an active board because of your beliefs is discrimination.

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Orangecircling · 12/06/2021 10:58

Subject headings are not equality discrimination. Slightly bonkers idea.

I think it makes sense as the subject is huge and needs it's own subject header.

StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind · 12/06/2021 10:57

I know it's been said on other threads but bloody hell, how did we get to the point that saying it's impossible to change biological sex is a 'belief', something to be 'claimed' (as worded in the crap BBC article about Maya) rather than the FACT that it is?!

Sorry for the rant. I agree with you OP.