Would anyone mind if I ask a question about Robin Moria White?

“Short-term outcomes of pubertal suppression in a selected cohort of 12 to 15 year old young people with persistent gender dysphoria in the UK’”, reports on the cohort of 44 young people enrolled in the study between 2011 and 2014. The study also evaluated the efficacy of treatment and considered the persistence of gender dysphoria and decisions about future treatment. This study showed that overall patient experience of changes on gonadotropin releasing hormone analogues (GnRHa) treatment (commonly called ‘puberty blockers’) was positive and there were no unexpected adverse events.

All patients achieved and maintained suppression of pubertal hormones and none experienced pubertal progression. At the end of the study, 43 (98%) chose to start cross-sex hormones whilst one young person chose to stop GnRHa and continue with puberty consistent with their birth-registered sex.

I'm appalled as well. Every time I think I have a handle on the sheer privilege and insularity that typifies trans activists online, I see another example that seems to beat all previous examples.

horsespirit, go to this site and get a grip on your first-world attitudes. www.freedomfromtorture.org/

I'll be making a donation to them today in honour of your foolish post, because I think good should come out of bad. I recommend other people do the same.

The sheer fucking over-privileged brass neck of that is breath-taking. It's also horseSOMETHING, right enough.

Given that it was made crystal clear in the Bell case that over 85% of gender-confused children desist if given the benefit of a watchful waiting approach, how exactly can you tell which child is a 'trans child' horsespirit ?

Posters like horse provide such insight for lurkers.

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I am actually quite sickened by that, I really am. I actually won't say more as my feet wouldn't touch the floor as MNHQ kicked me out.

Please do not tell me that you have just compared "watchful waiting" to barbaric practices of torture, surely no one is that clueless.

www.amnesty.org/en/what-we-do/torture/

And their children.

childrenoftransitioners.org/

[quote Waitwhat23]@Sophoclesthefox your mentioning 'happy to be part of her human shield' made me think of the last Harry Potter book, when during the Battle of Hogwarts, a character points at Harry and shouts 'There he is! Hand him over!' (Slight paraphrase by me) and rows and rows of students stand up to provide a protective barrier and to show their support of him. I feel like that - happy to hold the line.[/quote]
That’s pretty much how I imagine it

Solidarity and strength in numbers. We’ve got her back.

I'm in 2 minds about whether it should or can be retained - it's possibly violating some upload T&Cs without a warning.

But, let's just say that people had announced their intention to use a women's public rest room (whatever they're termed there) and one individual chose to selfie-film the act that was taking place in public, in front of a mirror.

It seems to be a particular take on taking ownership of a space.

Extremist TRAs will try to appropriate everything women have. It gives them a kick to do so.

The TRAs always (with a slight delay) take our arguements and rehash them. It's Darvo,. Which in massive twist of irony is an accusation they also appropriated and turned on us.

So true.

As always, your voices and experiences are so utterly marginalised in this “debate”, while those of your ex partners are so often elevated to sacred caste status - yet another example of blatant misogyny IMO.

#IStandWithTransWidows

Imagine how it feels for trans widows.

YY gaslighting.

In honesty, it even causes me deep distress and offence to use a female first name for someone I know to be male

Imagine how it feels for trans widows.

In honesty, it even causes me deep distress and offence to use a female first name for someone I know to be male (in the context where that name is being used to claim that person is actually a woman), as it is still demanding that I be complicit in a denial of reality and with my own oppression, so it’s not a complete solution but it’s a workaround, such as is often employed here.

I get what you mean although I remind myself that masculine/feminine names are purely a gender construct rather than sex thing. It's the sex-based rights I'm really concerned about. If we could just regain the ability to recognise that someone is biologically male and refer to it in situations where it is relevant, then any male would welcome to whatever aspects of femininity that they like as far as I'm concerned.

There was that recent US case where the professor was allowed to refer to the trans student by their surname rather than their recently adopted feminine name. I'm not convinced the U.K. courts would take the same approach though in a work or education setting though.

@Sophoclesthefox your mentioning 'happy to be part of her human shield' made me think of the last Harry Potter book, when during the Battle of Hogwarts, a character points at Harry and shouts 'There he is! Hand him over!' (Slight paraphrase by me) and rows and rows of students stand up to provide a protective barrier and to show their support of him. I feel like that - happy to hold the line.

In honesty, it even causes me deep distress and offence to use a female first name for someone I know to be male (in the context where that name is being used to claim that person is actually a woman), as it is still demanding that I be complicit in a denial of reality and with my own oppression, so it’s not a complete solution but it’s a workaround, such as is often employed here.

I do too, particularly in cases where it’s very clear that individual is not treating women with respect. I often use surnames, in that event. My conscience genuinely troubles me otherwise and ignoring that leads directly to bad feelings and poorer mental health.

suggest ....that you do justice to your user name

I love that. Surely great life advice for all.