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Compromise for new FWR section - could you support this?

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shesellsseacats · 11/06/2021 17:55

Sex self ID / sex and gender and related questions are THE main topic of feminism at the moment. This shouldn't be hidden away.

But fair enough, if people want a section that doesn't have this topic in it.

So, how about MN keeps this main topic as Feminism Chat, same as now (all feminist related topics welcome) and then add a feminist sub-topic that's for those who don't want to discuss sex and gender.

This will give those who want it, a section free from this discussion, but be much less of a moderation headache for MN.

Win-win, no?!

Could you get behind this?

If so, what could the new sub-topic be called? (Some sensible answers, please! Grin I'd love MN to take this seriously.)

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 11/06/2021 18:20

I don't think this will work.

As far as I can see the people who complain about all the posts being about trans issues only only post on threads about this and don't start or contribute to other threads.

People who complain that this board is hostile to alternative opinions tend to post statements and leave, rather than arguing their point.

These people don't want a friendly board when they can discuss feminist issues without reference to sex/gender issues. They want everyone else to stop talking about them, wherever that may be.

dolorsit · 11/06/2021 18:18

I suggest you post this on AIBU as those who don't read FWR because of our topic focus won't know about this.

Floisme · 11/06/2021 18:13

I think the onus is on those who want an additional, separate board to sort it out. I object very strongly to a landgrab for FWR but if people want to go and create their own space then it's up to them to make a coherent argument to MNHQ.

334bu · 11/06/2021 18:13

Shesellscats
As someone who doesn't post on the FWR board, is this just because you have newly joined Mumsnet or because the threads are of no interest to you.
Which threads would you like to be moved? What would you like to call it?

Arbadacarba · 11/06/2021 18:12

@LeopardHawk

No. You can't engage with feminism while ignoring sex and gender. It would be like a communist discussion board that excluded mention of labour or capital.
There's a clear difference between threads focused on transgender issues, and threads where transgender issues might have relevance but aren't the subject of the thread.
Arbadacarba · 11/06/2021 18:09

I'm in favour of a separate subsection, whether dedicated to gender issues or specifically free of them. Any name for the new board, or way of structuring it, is likely to be criticised by people who don't want it.

DifficultBloodyWoman · 11/06/2021 18:08

Also, I get the impression that whoever suggested this doesn’t actually understand feminism.

DifficultBloodyWoman · 11/06/2021 18:07

No. I think there are too many Feminist subcategories as it is. If there is a thread that doesn’t interest me, I won’t open it. But at least give me a chance to see and read the title!

(And I do find this very uncomfortable in light of the ruling in Maya’s case).

ErrolTheDragon · 11/06/2021 18:07

I've no objection to a separate No Sex or Gender Please section. I'd predict it would in practice be about as popular and well used as the various other Feminism boards which already exist, which anyone who genuinely wanted an alternative could have colonised. (I believe MNHQ is thinking of doing away with those)

LeopardHawk · 11/06/2021 18:06

No. You can't engage with feminism while ignoring sex and gender. It would be like a communist discussion board that excluded mention of labour or capital.

Melroses · 11/06/2021 18:06

The idea of trying to talk about Feminism without mentioning sex or gender is laughable.

GettingUntrapped · 11/06/2021 18:03

My heart sank as I read your words. How could someone be a feminist if they aren't interested in the biggest threat to women's identify, progression and autonomy to land on our laps in a while.

Ridiculous. Bug off.

Borka · 11/06/2021 18:02

Yes, I think it's a good compromise.

StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind · 11/06/2021 18:01

Nope.

Why does there need to be more than one feminism board? People are free to scroll by/hide any of the threads they aren't interested in.

There is one infant feeding board, for breastfeeding, bottlefeeding, weaning. If you want advice or to contribute to a thread about breastfeeding, you're welcome to ignore the bottlefeeding threads if it doesn't interest you, and vice versa.

ArabellaStrange · 11/06/2021 17:59

I don't like the idea at all. The discussion of disadvantages experienced as a consequence of our innate biology is central to the discussion of feminist issues.

Melroses · 11/06/2021 17:57

No, that doesn't work for me.

RoseAndRose · 11/06/2021 17:57

Certainly not.