Heads up: MNHQ planning to create a sex/gender topic separate from FWR.

The thread is as dead as a dead thing.
It might not have died if it was permissible to talk about the women's project without the identity background check being the first assessment applied.

But you didn't post on it so you have no idea if what you wanted to say was 'permissible' or not.

I get that you're annoyed with the first few posts in that thread but they preclude no one from adding to it with their own thoughts about the project. Loads of threads on MN start in one direction then veer off into another as people join in.

If you are right about the first few posts killing off the thread then perhaps your contribution would have brought it back to life?

Mainstream feminism centres women; always has done, always will. Does not intersect with men’s demands however you dress them up. You (men) can abuse us physically, mentally, on social media, at work, as we go about our everyday lives, but you cannot stop us thinking ‘that’s a man’. Get over it.

In the case of the Guerrilla Girls dead thread mentioned, it was actually the OP who discussed the intersectional aspect.
So presumably it the thread as posted would start off on gulag-board, and therefore Orange wouldn't see it at all.

If Orange or someone wanted a discussion on the project without criticism of the intersectional stuff they would start the thread on don't-mention-sex board, and hope nobody mentioned it because if they did the thread would be moved? deleted? posts deleted? huge pointless argument?
How does it work?

There seems great scope for mischief and / or misunderstanding.

Orange. In the same way that this board currently gets lots of visitors educating us on what feminism is, what gender critical beliefs are, what a woman is, even if 2 boards were created, how are mumsnet going to control the discussion. To keep the two boards separate. The concept that sex gender and trans issues can be separated from feminism is unrealistic. They are inextricably linked.

Yes, I know the thread is dead, and I know you don't want to post on it as is.

What I'm trying to understand is, if MNHQ split the boards or whatever, and you seem in favour of that, what would happen that is different?
Using that thread as an example.

Mainstream feminism is intersectional

If mainstream feminism didn't recognise that the basis of the oppression of women is their sex then it would be pretty shit, and frankly, in chocolate teapot territory

in favour OF two boards sorry.

I'm trying to work out what the two boards system would actually look like, with an example, talking to someone who is in favour or two boards (or at least not in favour of maintaining status quo).

OK, so what would you like to see happen with that thread in the future?

If you can't see the irony of (insert sex here) monitors dictating what women can and can't say on a feminism board then there isn't much else to say.

I'm not a monitor. I've posted here for many years since my kids were little.

I'm actually not making a judgment on the workings of the broad tent of feminism threads based on monitors, simply on the way the software works.

Yes, many of them appear not to be FWR regulars.

Relevant thread in Chat this afternoon.

Seems a lot of women can see that gender critical does not = "anti trans".

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/a4269653-Mumsnetters-who-support-trans-women-please-comment-here

I am sick and tired of being told I am transphobic or anti trans for not believing you are female.

There are an inconvenient large number of trans people who are gender critical for that assertion to hold any weight, do you suppose they are anti trans?

Nope. Being anti-trans is core to gender criticality. Mainstream feminism is intersectional

How incredibly lazy. No actual argument. No evidence. No carefully worded discussion. Just name calling and unfounded accusations.
But sure, keep going with that approach. More and more people are seeing through it.

Nope. Being anti-trans is core to gender criticality. Mainstream feminism is intersectional

This seems the new popular mantra since Maya's win. Being repeated a LOT by various big names.
I'm not going to bite though because "anti trans" "gender criticality" and "intersectional" are in the eye of the beholder and have given up trying to pin down definitions from lawyers.

Surprised to see you on this thread Robin, did you get bored enjoying the one about your book and Independent article?

Mainstream feminism is intersectional.

@RobinMoiraWhite - is mainstream transactivism intersectional?

Would a transactivist recognise that a wealthy, white, healthy middle-class transwoman is far more privileged than a poor black disabled working-class woman, for example?

If so, can you point me to some mainstream intersectional transactivist writing that recognises and acknowledges other axes of oppression? I’d very much like to read it.

Mainstream feminism is intersectional.

Not if it doesn't recognise the major axis of oppression that is being born into the female sex, it isn't.

Mainstream feminism is intersectional.

Thanks for rocking up and educating us about feminism 👍👍👍

You seem to be saying you want variety but at the same time you don't want to post here about something you've read or listened to.

I think if you posted a podcast review some women would read and respond. You can't have a guarantee nobody would critique your take on it but that's how conversations get going.

I don't really understand what you want from a section you don't want to engage with.

Thanks shesellsseacats - well that just illustrates the point. The thread I start was about censorship whether the self appointed monitors or MNHQ.

I was criticising the censorship of a thread because some people just didn't understand.

I do hope this isn't going to be the new standard by which threads are judged. ie I dont understand it, therefore it must be wrong, therefore I will report it to MNHQ.

So just to say @MNHQ to delete my thread on the bais of it being a TAAT seems to me like you dodging the bullet on you act of censorship.

Or would you prefer some magical mystry thread about someone siad something that someone didnt understand or thought wasnt funny so they thought they were entitle to silence that other person.

This by the way is how the group Reclaim the Streets has been persuaded to kick so many women who are active feminists off their facebook page.

They have a rule that it two people complain, you dont just have your comments deleted you get blocked from the group.

and yes you guessed it, 99.9% reported are all gender critical / sex based rights feminists. So a whole group of thousands is actually be controlled by 2 people who dont have to identify themselves or make any contribution to show why someones elses contribution is offensive.

Seems a very weird view of the world. I dont understand statistics. I find it offensive that someone posts something statistical that I cant understand. So I think they should all be silenced.

That's the statistical problem solved and just tough that statistic might be useful.