Heads up: MNHQ planning to create a sex/gender topic separate from FWR.

All that will happen is posters will mention sex not gender on every thread whatever its subject. This already happens anyway.
So that means MN either ban lots of posters or just give up and the change becomes meaningless.
I remember when MN tried to create a radical feminism board and it was ignored by everyone.

To be fair it's been repeated here quite regularly over the past year since Maya lost her case that her winning wouldn't have meant harassment was allowed.

But don't worry it was brought up quite regularly and Maya's quote about her case not being about the right to harass was posted quite early on.

It's amazing what you can find out if you read threads you don't agree with...

I suggested this as a separate board a few months ago, good to see this being considered :)

Crazy idea and clearly unsupported.

How can we separate the issues when everything hinges on the very definition female/woman.

Its already impossible to have a discussion that joins all the dots within the ever moving goalposts that are the guidelines and now there are more obstacles? Who's bright odea was that? The belief in biological sex being protected in law should have made things easier not harder ffs

I don't think it will work. But I would welcome a place to discuss feminist issues that are not all about transgender. There are other issues, but you would not know it looking at MN.

@TedImgoingmad I did several times. Got told I wasn't a real feminist because I happened to disagree.

Feminism and women’s rights are about sex. Rape, sexual assault, forced marriage, child marriage, FGM, maternity rights, abortion rights, trafficking and prostitution, right to breastfeed in public, right to choose how to feed your baby, right to own property, right to have a bank account, right to vote, sexism in medicine (vaginal mesh, predatory doctors and surgeons), right to go to school without being catcalled on the way and assaulted when you are there, etc... and single-sex spaces, prisons, wards, right to ask for a female HCP, etc.

What will the non-sex-related ‘FWR’ have left? Colours of clothes. Presentation and promotion of toys. The Beauty Myth (per Naomi Wolf). Small misogynies. Mainly about media representation and mean things people say - all important too but enough for a topic?

All of the above are adequately covered in the current FWR. It’s essential that they all are. What is the point of carving out the guts of it?

If Mumsnet do this will they rename ‘FWR’ to ‘FWAWIPR’ for women and woman-identifying people’s rights?

I don't know how to phrase this less clod handed. However, I immediately though conflating gender feelz with a sex thread is like putting an 'All lives matter' with a 'Black Lives Matter' thread.

I understand that there are posters who are frustrated at the extent to which FWR covers issues around gender ideology, and I've certainly read threads where it feels like a poster has brought in the issue of gender ideology a bit quickly, in

But honestly you are free to post about any FWR issue, there are lots of threads not about gender ideology, you are free to scroll through stuff that doesn't interest you (I'm sure this is something you do on the internet all the time) and as PP said, please do report anything you think is transphobic.

But the fact is that this is a topic that many of us feel is relevant and important to all aspects of womens rights.

How would that work?
I struggle to see how any aspect of feminism could be discussed if one is not permitted to mention what a woman is.

I've suggested it be called "The Gulag" for clarity.
It's still a shocker of an idea but that made me laugh.

Not everybody sees this the same way though. And some people make people who see things differently very unwelcome on the feminist board at the minute. Feminism isn't the same thing as being GC. There isn't one right way to be feminist.

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No more quokka filled islands in the middle of lochs for us then?

It would only encourage the thread police to stamp their feet and demand threads are moved.

HQ should stop pandering to them and tell them to scroll past like grown ups.

The problem is that trans issues affect everything feminism related. You can't separate them out.
Want to talk about maternity policy? First you need to be clear who comes under 'maternity' and how they'd be affected. Is it trans women wanting to come under 'maternity' but not 'paternity' or trans men vice versa.
Could we just refer to the female people who are affected? There are plenty of people thinking that would be offensive too.
You can do exactly the same with every single feminist topic. How can we discuss issues uniquely relating to women (aka feminism) if we can't discuss why issues uniquely relate to women, what women even are or how gender affects us.
There's a reason trans issues come up on every topic. If you change the meaning of what a woman is, then it's going to affect discussion on how and why any issue affects women.

Is Bunbury going to relocate to a gulag rather than a pleasant bothy?

I think one of the things that annoys me here is, yet again, the framing of many of our discussions as being about "the trans issue", when we are constantly trying to get across that, for us, we are discussing the rights of women.

I've suggested it be called "The Gulag" for clarity.