Heads up: MNHQ planning to create a sex/gender topic separate from FWR.

but they need to see its for their own good
Oh wow lol
Sure you didn't mean it (I hope) but that totally comes across as silly women just don't know their own minds
Which was what people were on about earlier, including MN themselves I think.
The other viewpoint.
That people say is welcome here.
No, it isn't
If you don't ''think' ' right, you're just a silly little handmaiden who doesnt know what's good for them and needs showing the way.

Seriously? The day after it was confirmed that believing that women are female is an acceptable and justifiable position?

How can MNHQ conceive of separating sex, the axis (sp?) of our oppression, from the feminism topic? Without sex there IS no feminism.

forum, not fora.

Well that's going to be 90% of all threads started being located in, or moved to, the new area then. I bet a lot of threads will start 'I'm not sure if this is allowed in FWR or should be moved across to Sex and Gender'....

Massive own goal and will just demonstrate how much this stupid ideology affects every aspect of a women's life. Bring it on and then show the stats for threads and visitors to threads and each fora.

I remember a wonderful thread from a few months back which was started by a woman who had been carrying out research into play spaces, and how they are rarely designed to cater for the needs and preferences of girls. There were lots of enthusiastic contributions and some really valuable ideas were shared and explored. Not once were any gender identify or trans issues mentioned, because (for once) these issues were completely irrelevant to the subject being discussed.

I resent the implication that FWR is a rabid pit of GC nutcases. It really isn't. It is just the unfortunate reality that the current issues around gender identity have huge implications for an incredibly wide range of feminist issues. You can't forcibly separate the two.

Quaggars that's possibly because oft times posters post things that are not science based, would discommode women, would further erode women's rights.

It's the FWR that is the clue. If you want to post in support of anything else, wish to dilute women's rights, to change the way the words woman's and female are understood in law, then you are going to get a determined push back.

It's a bit like going into a forum about football and insisting they discuss rugby!

@LizzieSiddal

They couldn’t let us have one whole day could they.

If using this board gets difficult then there will be more posts in chat and AIBU.

They couldn’t let us have one whole day could they.

It won't make any difference at all, no matter which board these issues are discussed the transphobic brigade will hijack any discussion and turn it in to yet another single sex space argument.

ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE MAYA DECISION YESTERDAY.

It's precisely because of the decision yesterday. The monitors aren't happy at all and probably very worried that even more pesky women will be radicalised to center women in their feminism.

If the board must be separated we should call it the naughty step just so that we're all very clear about how unacceptable so many people find women's opinions.

This is a stupid idea. You can't separate out bits of things that affect women. Why are MN doing this now when the rest of the world are realising how dangerous extreme trans ideology is. Read the room Mumsnet. I'm sureyou get lots of sex positive cool girls moaning about it but they need to see it, it's for their own good.

Well I for one, absolutely welcome your contributions Quaggers and I think you have made some excellent posts in AIBU.

As everyone else has said, this will be a nightmare to moderate because a lot of the time sex and gender discussions are inexorably linked

I image there will be a lot of reporting and wanting threads moved between the two boards - then maybe de-railing and then reporting as a thread suddenly becomes about other topic area.

If it has to be done, do it honestly. “Sex-based feminism” and “gender-based feminism”

(Trying to have feminist discourse without referring to sex is like saying you want to improve road safety without referring to cars)

I think that this suggestion underestimates how interconnected these issues are.

There is currently a thread on FWR about the Oxfam training which suggests that white women shouldn't seek legal justice following rape.

This is clearly a feminist issue. But the training came out of the LGBT+ group in Oxfam and is routed in queer theory.

One issue cannot be discussed without discussing the other.
These issues are intertwined at a political level in many organizations.

Let me get this right? The majority of users on this site are women and the majority of users of this site are GC and we on FWR should move over.

Ffs. What an awful and discriminatory decision.

ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE MAYA DECISION YESTERDAY.

We are women. And women’s issues should centre in the FWR board. I’m all for adding a new board lib fem for anyone, who disagrees. But why the fuck should we move over under pretence that our sex is not central to how women are treated?

Wtf is @MNHQ thinking marginalising its users and paid up members…. I bloody paid up again this year. God knows why!

This board opened my eyes and is currently doing so for many more. Lots of posts asking for information. People wanting to understand. Without being accused of being a bigot.

I agree. I was amazed (when I came here from AIBU) that posters were generally welcoming and ready to explain things. Very little snark. Took time out of their day to explain things, post links, suggest reading. To engage in robust discussion yes, but with reasoned facts and viewpoints. Never seen anyone get called a bigot.

You don't know what you don't know until you see it discussed here.

Not cool, MNHQ. Haven't you noticed the times are changing?

As everyone else has said, this will be a nightmare to moderate because a lot of the time sex and gender discussions are inexorably linked.

It would be much more honest to have a Terf Corner.

All that's going to happen, MNHQ, is that we'll all migrate there and FWR will have tumbleweed blowing through it.

Please don't do this @MNHQ. It would create echo chambers and not promote discussion. It would suggest the gender question is being shuffled to one side and hidden.

This board opened my eyes and is currently doing so for many more. Lots of posts asking for information. People wanting to understand. Without being accused of being a bigot.

Being GC is not bigotry or shameful or illegal and deserves to stay on FWR.

More to the point, no one has told you you are wrong as such - you have simply been met with an onslaught of women who disagree with you.
Unless this person has name changed they have never posted on the board, so not quite sure where their feelings on feminism have been criticised.