My teen daughter has burst out crying and gone upstairs because we were discussing Maya Forstater

As a drama student more than 20 years ago I took part in a devised piece of interpretive dance about transsexuality and the pain of transitioning (no, I'm not making that up - I wish I was!)

I'm fully gender critical now and have been for some time (though quietly, the theatre world being very woke). Maybe she'll grow out of it.

@Ereshkigalangcleg this is the first time I've ever posted on a trans debate thread. If I'm 100% honest as a reasonably privileged cis, straight white woman who is unaffected by trans issues I don't really have as much emotional connection to the debates as I do to say the sexual violence issues etc. I just don't think (as some on this thread seem to be suggesting) that only stupid, immature people take a non GC stance. It's not that simple imo.

"The number of trans people murdered in the UK is not officially recorded and murder victims may be misgendered, such as in media coverage of the murder of Naomi Hersi, a trans woman of colour from London, in 2018."

It is, indeed, regrettable that it's the ONS that ought to be the source of verifiable statistics and it is the ONS that has recently been attempting to put through data collection that would obscure matters even further.

What would be your preferred estimate for the number of these murder victims in the UK? Would it vary from Factcheck's estimate of 1 per year?

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-many-trans-people-murdered-uk

she's a teenager. It's her job to have lofty beliefs that would actually hurt people if imlemented.

it's your job not to accept them.

it's her job to push you away.

it's your job to feel sad for a bit

it's her job to get over it.

So unlike the adults who react to what is obviously a craze by going off to "educate themselves" you are - by being "old" - doing your job.

That is so sad - there really is no satisfaction in saying ‘this was the risk we tried to tell you about’. The young people who are the cheerleaders don’t have the experience of the ones they dismiss as old dinosaurs.

She's a teenager. I can't believe how ott and reactive some adults on here are being.

The worst rows I've ever had with my daughter (early 20s) have been about this. I've been called every name under the sun, ignorant, transphobic, stupid. Our relationship felt seriously threatened by our opposing views.
Recently there are signs of the penny slowly dropping that the trans cult is a glitter covered turd. Unfortunately, it has come about in the worst possible way - a member of her uni friendship group was sexually assaulted by a trans woman in the same friendship group. I really feel for my daughter's friend, and what has happened to her. It's truly awful. It's an awful irony that the fact that it's something like this that seems to be waking them up to reality. That their ditzy, giggly little friend who liked to borrow their makeup and clothes is in fact a sexual predator. (I'm not saying all trans women are predators, far from it, before anyone piles on).
The woke still runs deep, but it feels like there has been a real shift in the total blind acceptance of before.
Sadly the friend didn't feel able to report this to the police or university authorities.

"The number of trans people murdered in the UK is not officially recorded and murder victims may be misgendered, such as in media coverage of the murder of Naomi Hersi, a trans woman of colour from London, in 2018."

www.bps.org.uk/blogs/diversity-and-inclusion-taskforce/transgender-day-remembrance

@Lettera as far as I can see, gender = the collection of social stereotypes surrounding the outward physical appearance and social roles and behaviours expected from males and females in our patriarchal society.

A significant part of "living as" a woman or a man appears to involve being treated by others as being the opposite sex. This is why validation by having access unchallenged to single-sex spaces is so important.

Lady

The American prison service is different to the U.K. And trans people are not routinely murdered here.

Trans people have legal rights to protection from discrimination and harassment here, under the Equality Act 2010.

Do you have any examples of discrimination against them in the U.K.?

I’d imagine they are the ones feeling more embarrassed as it’s obviously a primarily female environment.

Without PREMs (Patient Reported Experience Measures) data, it's difficult to know with any degree of certainty.

No surgery is necessary, not even if a man takes hormones to grow breasts.

And for women from conservative religions, or those in coercive/controlling relationships, mixed sex sessions could mean they are no longer to attend mammograms.

There is no separate screening for men regarding breast cancer. So they come to the regular female screening clinics.

@Clarice99 - My apologies for the confusingly-worded post. That response was aimed at @Subbaxeo, not you.

@EmbarrassingAdmissions I simply meant that if a man had surgery and taking long term hormone treatment to have female physical characteristics, then the risk of breast cancer is increased. So they come for screening. Incidentally, all visitors are banned from clinics unless they’re in a caring capacity because of Covid. And male patients coming to symptomatic clinics are in the same waiting room as women. But I’d imagine they are the ones feeling more embarrassed as it’s obviously a primarily female environment.

Apologies for not using the correct term.I’m not au fait with the current politics but I meant if a man physically transitioned into being a woman.

A man cannot "physically transition into being a woman" any more than I can physically transition into being a dolphin.

I have two sons and my oldest just shrugs about most of it. He does think most woke things are a bit ridiculous and all of his friends say that people constantly posting how ‘woke’ they are are just a bit fake trying to get followers.