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'Working with Stonewall is no longer compatible with NHS values' | Comment | Health Service Journal

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ChristinaXYZ · 11/06/2021 10:00

"Nurses speak of their distress at being instructed to insist to their female patients that there are no men present, in the clear presence of a man identifying as a woman. Who can they turn to when their employer, union and regulator are all Stonewall Champions?"

www.hsj.co.uk/workforce/working-with-stonewall-is-no-longer-compatible-with-nhs-values/7030259.article

via on twitter twitter.com/MerchedCymru

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Gmmllw · 11/06/2021 19:09

Really insightful article thanks for sharing

McDuffy · 11/06/2021 17:41

I emailed the editor and got a thank you back already Smile thanks for the idea!

highame · 11/06/2021 17:30

I wonder if the NHS checks that all its trans workers hold GRC and also any patients who identify as trans also hold a GRC and understands that even if they do there are still exceptions. Discrimination is sometimes acceptable

FindTheTruth · 11/06/2021 17:00

are there colleagues who will add their signature Purple?

PurpleWh1teGreen · 11/06/2021 16:59

I wrote to all of the candidates for president a few weeks back asking about their views on single sex wards (spoiler alert no replies).

Feels like time to try again.

FindTheTruth · 11/06/2021 16:26

Re nurses will not be supported by the main nursing union and Royal College of Nursing, now that all beliefs are protected can a sensible discussion happen?

FindTheTruth · 11/06/2021 16:24

@EmbarrassingAdmissions

I wonder if there will be competition to sign up Kate Grimes to Sex Matters or any of the other groups, if she's willing?
I would like to see this too.
EmbarrassingAdmissions · 11/06/2021 16:21

@MargaritaPie

Is Ms. Grimes an official spokesperson for the NHS may I ask?
Did she identify that way?

Or did the preamble to her comment piece?

FindTheTruth · 11/06/2021 16:11

@zanahoria

"My concerns are three-fold. First, and most importantly, Stonewall’s influence is undermining our ability to keep our patients safe. Secondly, it stifles free speech and creates a culture of fear amongst some staff. Thirdly, it gives misleading and potentially unlawful advice, opening up NHS organisations to litigation and reputational damage.

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three shots on target

I know it was posted up thread but that pararaph is so damned good, I may have to mermorize it

yes. the culture of fear and 'not saying anything' and not 'bringing your whole self to work' is so negative. It's not transphobic to disagree with gender theory and gender critical doesn't mean harassing or misgendering a colleague at work, yet until now it's been so hard for staff to say they disagree with Stonewall law.
MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 11/06/2021 16:07

@MargaritaPie

Is Ms. Grimes an official spokesperson for the NHS may I ask?
There isn't really "the NHS" in the sense you mean. It's made up of thousands of organisations. That's why there are parts that have signed up to Stonewall and parts that haven't. Even NHS England/Scotland etc only speak for certain parts of the service.
FindTheTruth · 11/06/2021 16:06

@B3ingBraver

Quick name change! I have just used much of Kate's text to write to my employer and ask them to withdraw from the scheme.

Thank You Kate.

Good to hear. So many staff and patients harmed by this. And LGB persecuted by them
Iggi999 · 11/06/2021 16:06

Daft question. If she were speaking on behalf of the NHS she wouldn't be calling on them to withdraw from stonewall, she would be announcing that they were withdrawing.

Iggi999 · 11/06/2021 16:04
Hmm
MargaritaPie · 11/06/2021 16:00

Is Ms. Grimes an official spokesperson for the NHS may I ask?

B3ingBraver · 11/06/2021 15:48

Quick name change! I have just used much of Kate's text to write to my employer and ask them to withdraw from the scheme.

Thank You Kate.

FindTheTruth · 11/06/2021 15:31

@RoyalCorgi

Some of the comments are so stupid. The usual crap about transphobia etc. The usual refusal to care about the experiences of women.

I suspect a TRA pile-on rather than this being a reflection of how people in the NHS think. Though who knows? Maybe they really are that thick.

No doubt some MRA whatsapp groups pointed to it
MrsMiggins9100 · 11/06/2021 14:59

Absolutely brilliant article!! well done Kate Grimes so hitting the nail on this head of the toxic organisation which is Stonewall. We have all had enough of this nonsense. Men cannot become women and thank goodness for yesterday result for Maya Forstater!!!! Women need to feel safe, particularly in single sex wards, prisons, changing rooms etc.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 11/06/2021 14:41

Please consider sending an email of support to the HSJ editor, who is no doubt taking a lot of heat for publishing - [email protected]

RoyalCorgi · 11/06/2021 14:37

Some of the comments are so stupid. The usual crap about transphobia etc. The usual refusal to care about the experiences of women.

I suspect a TRA pile-on rather than this being a reflection of how people in the NHS think. Though who knows? Maybe they really are that thick.

PurpleWh1teGreen · 11/06/2021 14:19

Fabulous article. All the facts.

manatsu · 11/06/2021 14:08

Great post. Brave, though she can say this because she's retired. I keep seeing this - retired professionals can speak out in a way that younger ones who are still working in the field can't. While I'm hugely grateful to these people, it makes me a bit sad. I'm probably not going to be able to retire for nearly 40 years (god) and the best I can do is small acts of defiance.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 11/06/2021 13:53

It's interesting that a comment refers to it as clickbait - interestingly, I can't see that HSJ promoted it on Twitter so I wonder if they're getting clicks from their email?

RoyalCorgi · 11/06/2021 13:39

Absolutely terrific article, one of the best I've seen on this issue. Perhaps the most significant thing is where it appears: the HSJ. The HSJ has had years in which to cover this issue, and it hasn't. Its decision to include an article this clear-sighted and hard-hitting is a sure sign of a turning tide.

PerditaCambellBlack · 11/06/2021 13:14

Great article

anotherFOIrequester · 11/06/2021 13:10

Wow, what an excellent article