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'Working with Stonewall is no longer compatible with NHS values' | Comment | Health Service Journal

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ChristinaXYZ · 11/06/2021 10:00

"Nurses speak of their distress at being instructed to insist to their female patients that there are no men present, in the clear presence of a man identifying as a woman. Who can they turn to when their employer, union and regulator are all Stonewall Champions?"

www.hsj.co.uk/workforce/working-with-stonewall-is-no-longer-compatible-with-nhs-values/7030259.article

via on twitter twitter.com/MerchedCymru

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EmbarrassingAdmissions · 15/06/2021 10:26

[quote ItsAllGoingToBeFine]THIS ... article on Trans rights and the NHS has become the most commented on in HSJ's 20 year plus digital history - and also the one for which I have received most unsolicited messages of thanks

twitter.com/HSJEditor/status/1404419117147430916?s=19[/quote]
He's getting about the informed level of pushback that I'd have expected.

When are well-meaning people going to be willing to have an evidence-based discussion about matters that are of great importance rather than cleave to #Nodebate. I notice that respondents were notably 'more in sorrow' for Alastair's alleged level of ignorance and making kind offers rather than the typically menacing offers of compulsory re-education that women receive.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/06/2021 10:11

I know I’m nit picking but that was very poorly written. As a professional, reading a piece with “crappy” and “sucks”, I’d think it was submitted by a stroppy teenager.

The promotion by respectable publications of this person as someone we should take seriously is laughable, when you see their other writing.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/06/2021 10:08

Oh god, it's Gemma Stone. That's Cursed E, isn't it?

Yes, I believe so.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 15/06/2021 10:07

THIS ... article on Trans rights and the NHS has become the most commented on in HSJ's 20 year plus digital history - and also the one for which I have received most unsolicited messages of thanks

twitter.com/HSJEditor/status/1404419117147430916?s=19

rogdmum · 15/06/2021 10:04

I know I’m nit picking but that was very poorly written. As a professional, reading a piece with “crappy” and “sucks”, I’d think it was submitted by a stroppy teenager.

Beamur · 15/06/2021 10:02

It's high on hyperbole and a bit scant on truthful representation of recent events.

RoyalCorgi · 15/06/2021 09:55

Oh god, it's Gemma Stone. That's Cursed E, isn't it? Not someone who's an expert on the NHS.

mustlovegin · 13/06/2021 21:13

Well if they need it when I'm the duty manager I will ensure they get it

That's a sensible and balanced approach and I hope many do take it. All of this is very worrying

Northernlurker · 13/06/2021 10:19

'What happens with women who require a single sex ward due to religious reasons?'

Well if they need it when I'm the duty manager I will ensure they get it. There are a couple of options depending on individuals behaviour. Either move the transitioning patient to a single room (and if they refuse explore why they are so keen to remain in a room with other sick people instead of getting some peace) or leave them in the area and move everybody else. It depends how many beds are affected and what options you have. What I would not do is expect the woman to tolerate this. It's intolerable.

PearPickingPorky · 13/06/2021 10:04

@mustlovegin

What happens with women who require a single sex ward due to religious reasons?
They get "re-educated" and told that the man next to them is a woman, so be quiet.
334bu · 13/06/2021 09:18

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4269384-NHS-badges
Times article posted here shows almost Orwellian side to Stonewall's influence on NHS

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 13/06/2021 09:04

@BlackAlys

How can one check if local organisations are signed up to the SW diversity program?

I think it's time to start campaigning again

Have you taken a look through any FOIAs supplied as part of Sex Matters' campaign?

Aside from that, it's a pest, as sometimes places report them on their own website or just privately to someone.

BlackAlys · 13/06/2021 08:39

How can one check if local organisations are signed up to the SW diversity program?

I think it's time to start campaigning again

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 13/06/2021 07:14

@mustlovegin

What happens with women who require a single sex ward due to religious reasons?
No one gives a fuck about them because they've been Stonewalled 😡
HPFA · 13/06/2021 01:12

NHS staff in Scotland will be monitored to see if they are wearing "Pride" badges.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/aec64082-cbb4-11eb-b575-81b2a16c3be4?shareToken=203864c87d5e4519397c8dea43d8a407

mustlovegin · 13/06/2021 00:28

Thank you Embarrassing

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 13/06/2021 00:04

@mustlovegin

I keep reading that this issue appears to be very prevalent in Brighton. Are most areas in the UK similarly impacted or not?
Some data here:

digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/data-collections-and-data-sets/data-collections/mixed-sex-accommodation-msa

Northernlurker · 12/06/2021 23:52

I agree it's a fantastic article. I commented too and what is so heartening is the number of likes the gender critical comments are getting.

mustlovegin · 12/06/2021 23:42

I keep reading that this issue appears to be very prevalent in Brighton. Are most areas in the UK similarly impacted or not?

mustlovegin · 12/06/2021 23:41

What happens with women who require a single sex ward due to religious reasons?

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 12/06/2021 18:15

The comments are really heartening. Very little support for the posters shrieking 'transphobia', and lots of people clearly clued up on GC issues.

Rejoiningperson · 12/06/2021 17:27

@zanahoria good paragraph to list. There are a few problems aren’t there and it very eloquently outlined them. One of them for me, is that if biological sex is recognised as fact, then calling a single sex ward, single sex when it isn’t, is a lie. That’s quite important. Mixing wards and patients being clear that they may be next to a man or woman gives that patient at least the information that might be very pertinent to how they conduct their own privacy. Not giving that information, hiding it, is problematic.

scaredsadandstuck · 12/06/2021 08:26

I'm a day behind! I just spotted this being tweeted by an HSJ journalist. I'm going to email the editor too.

I remember when single sex ward policy came in and it was something NHS organisations had to report on and we "boasted' about what % of our wards were single sex etc. Now of course I it is (in theory) standard practice - but with a massive caveat. Feels like we've gone backwards!