Page 3 | All school toilets in Brighton to become gender neutral

SapphosRock · 2021-06-10T17:21:29+00:00

I'm not happy about this at all. I have a DD and keep thinking how she would feel changing a pad in year 7 or 8 with a group of year 11 boys in the same toilets as her. It's always the girls who lose out by being 'inclusive'. Any suggestions on what I can do? https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/19361363.gender-neutral-toilets-introduced-brighton-schools/

Grellbunt · 10/06/2021 19:01

So why add a whole load of convenient new places with lockable doors?

Whatsnewpussyhat · 10/06/2021 18:58

Pisses me off when they call them 'gender neutral'. No they are MIXED SEX.

Single sex toilets are already gender neutral. Female toilets are for females, regardless of their presentation, not just for those who wear dresses or make up.

DirectionsForUse · 10/06/2021 18:57

But that could happen in literally any room in school

DirectionsForUse · 10/06/2021 18:56

I don't think it's being done to reduce bullying either but that is happy consequence.

Grellbunt · 10/06/2021 18:53

@DirectionsForUse

Women need separate spaces. I would not want to use any public toilet and men be in the same space as me.

Men won't be in the same space as you. It's a self contained cubicle.

And what if they follow you in and shut the door behind you both? Bit naive to think this wouldn't happen.

StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind · 10/06/2021 18:49

@EndoplasmicReticulum

My son tells me that the new gender neutral toilets built in school extension over lockdown aren't gender neutral any more, but divided into boys and girls. According to him this was because "nobody wanted to go in them". He was really not keen about sharing with girls, too embarrassing apparently, and also completely understood why girls wouldn't want boys in there.

Actually this too- boys and men understandably have reasons for not wanting to share with women too. Different reasons but still equally valid.

DirectionsForUse · 10/06/2021 18:48

Far, far easier for duty staff to supervise these kinds of toilets too

EndoplasmicReticulum · 10/06/2021 18:47

My son tells me that the new gender neutral toilets built in school extension over lockdown aren't gender neutral any more, but divided into boys and girls. According to him this was because "nobody wanted to go in them". He was really not keen about sharing with girls, too embarrassing apparently, and also completely understood why girls wouldn't want boys in there.

StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind · 10/06/2021 18:47

@DirectionsForUse

Does it? You'd be in there on your own with the waves onto the corridor.

As I said, there were plenty of assaults in the girls loos when I was at school. This sounds far preferable to me.

I also don't believe for a second that any of this is being done with the aim of stopping bullying/assaults. It's to not hurt the feelings of a tiny tiny tiny percentage of the population and put their needs ahead of 50% of us.

StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind · 10/06/2021 18:45

@EsmaCannonball

Anyone who thinks floor-to-ceiling stalls are the solution needs to be aware of autogynephile behaviour in mixed-sex facilities. As well as those who place hidden cameras there are also those who deliberately piss on the floor or wank onto things other people will have to touch, sometimes filming themselves as they do so. In a school setting a floor-to-ceiling stall isn't going to prevent a boy dragging or following a girl into a cubicle. It isn't going to stop a group of boys hanging around outside and humiliating a girl as she uses the toilet.

This.

StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind · 10/06/2021 18:45

I wouldn't want to use toilets that boys/men had used anyway tbh. I will clean up after my 6 yr old DS but not prepared to do it for anyone else.

In my first workplace, the men used to find it funny to use the women's toilet and leave it in a disgusting state, just for the fun of it.

AfternoonToffee · 10/06/2021 18:44

My DC's school has mixed sex toilet facilities, what this means is a block of cubicles that open onto the corridor.

DirectionsForUse · 10/06/2021 18:42

@RadandMad

Oh, hang on, I see you said the cubicle have separate washing facilities in them. I don't really understand this. Why does there need to be cubicles at all then? Why not just have a separate loos accessed from the corridor?

That's what they are

EsmaCannonball · 10/06/2021 18:42

Anyone who thinks floor-to-ceiling stalls are the solution needs to be aware of autogynephile behaviour in mixed-sex facilities. As well as those who place hidden cameras there are also those who deliberately piss on the floor or wank onto things other people will have to touch, sometimes filming themselves as they do so. In a school setting a floor-to-ceiling stall isn't going to prevent a boy dragging or following a girl into a cubicle. It isn't going to stop a group of boys hanging around outside and humiliating a girl as she uses the toilet.

DirectionsForUse · 10/06/2021 18:42

Waves? How did that happen. Door.

I've just been involved in the planning of a new school building like this. It's rows of toilets opening directly into the corridor, as DDA toilets in schools already do (and are unisex).

RadandMad · 10/06/2021 18:42

Oh, hang on, I see you said the cubicle have separate washing facilities in them. I don't really understand this. Why does there need to be cubicles at all then? Why not just have a separate loos accessed from the corridor?

midgedude · 10/06/2021 18:40

Hey it's like parking ... we need diagrams

AfternoonToffee · 10/06/2021 18:40

It reads that these will be an additional provision, so the third space that is repeatedly asked for on here.

DirectionsForUse · 10/06/2021 18:40

Does it? You'd be in there on your own with the waves onto the corridor.

As I said, there were plenty of assaults in the girls loos when I was at school. This sounds far preferable to me.

StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind · 10/06/2021 18:40

@DirectionsForUse

Women need separate spaces. I would not want to use any public toilet and men be in the same space as me.

Men won't be in the same space as you. It's a self contained cubicle.

Where do you have to walk through to get to that cubicle? Who could potentially corner you on the way in/out?

Soontobe60 · 10/06/2021 18:40

And actually, it could be difficult for any vulnerable child. A young gay boy who other boys may pick on can use the boys toilets with some degree of safety as its relatively open, cubicle doors aren’t floor to ceiling. In the proposed facilities, again he could be subjected to assault without anyone seeing.

RadandMad · 10/06/2021 18:40

@DirectionsForUse

Women need separate spaces. I would not want to use any public toilet and men be in the same space as me.

Men won't be in the same space as you. It's a self contained cubicle.

Yes, but they can be right outside the toilet door as you go out to wash your hands. In separate loos, they can't even be in the vicinity.

Soontobe60 · 10/06/2021 18:38

@DirectionsForUse

I really can't see an issue. Floor to ceiling cubicles with washing facilities and a sanibin in each cubicle.

Actually, although that sounds fine, it isn’t. It puts females more at risk as nobody would challenge a male being in a female facility, and as the cubicles are completely self contained it increases the risk of being assaulted.

midgedude · 10/06/2021 18:37

@DirectionsForUse

I really can't see an issue. Floor to ceiling cubicles with washing facilities and a sanibin in each cubicle.

I suspect it depends, are the walls thick enough that girls are happy unwrapping Sanpro? Or will boys leap into the next cubicle and start teasing /harrrssing

DirectionsForUse · 10/06/2021 18:37

Women need separate spaces. I would not want to use any public toilet and men be in the same space as me.

Men won't be in the same space as you. It's a self contained cubicle.