All school toilets in Brighton to become gender neutral

If I remember rightly from previous nonsense with Brighton council and the schools toolkit, they basically said it's voluntary guidance and up to schools if they want to follow it.

Those that do need to do their own impact assessments as apparently the fact it's "just guidance [shrug]" means the council haven't bothered and schools must take on this responsibility.

I would ask what consultation they have done with the other children, and the parents. Copies of their risk impact assessment and equality impact assessment and confirmation that they have the necessary insurance cover.

Perhaps you should ask Mumsnet to amend the misleading thread title, @SapphosRock
The new toilets are in addition to the single sex ones required by law.

I'm having to eat my words tonight! Just spoke to my child at the school I mentioned earlier. Turns out the aforementioned toilets started out as unisex but are now split into boys and girls (equally) with 1 additional unisex toilet. I am not sure of the reasoning? Urine splashing? Other concerns? Anyway, I had misrepresented the situation

I’m fully supportive of single sex facilities, but in addition to those this seems like a sensible idea, surely?

Agree with this- as an addition is fine.

If its in addition to existing single sex toilets then I can’t see a problem with it

The toilets at our local school (far, far from Brighton, built over 5 years ago) have single toilet 'rooms', all with washbasins opening directly onto the corridor. There are many situations where I would fight hard against mixed sex spaces but I really don't see that as an issue here, children access the toilet straight from the corridor, one at a time. I think that it is a much better situation than my experience at school where I was scared to enter the girls toilets. These new style toilets feel safer to me in terms of bullying etc. If it were PE changing rooms my view would be very different!

Single sex toilets are not being removed, these gender neutral toilets are in addition.

I thought this is exactly what the feminist movement wanted.

The Argus have cherry picked that report for a reaction.

Pathetic! Glad I don't live in Brighton.

When we're dealing with such huge global and environmental issues, what an amazing thing to have achieved not. I hate public toilets which are used by men, they're filthy, men pee standing up girls are likely to sit down, I'd like to know what the increase in UTI will be in Brighton secondary girls.

Fewer cars in the centre of town, unisex public toilets, women and girls are being slowly banished to the home.

the worst part about this is that it's that woke goody two-shoes are driving this feeling smug and morally 'good'. Pathetic.

I think separate wall to floor cubicles sounds way better than the girls toilets at my school which were ground zero for bullying.

This is fine... in addition. So girls/boys/disabled/neutral. Wouldn't want to take away single sex toilets - what about their rights?

And it says "should include" not that every toilet will be like this.

If you want a third space this is how it is likely to be, or do others have some very different idea about how a 3rd space should work?

Its not bloody safe!!!! Sexual abuse in schools is all over the news today.
Does nobody have a fucking clue anymore.

"Under the new guidance it is stated that educational settings “should provide pupils and students with a mixture of access to toilets”."

This is what the article says, this is the third space, there will still be single sex toilets.

It's rows of toilets opening directly into the corridor, as DDA toilets in schools already do (and are unisex).

I assume you work for Brighton council as you seem sure that every single school will redesign their existing toilets so they are like this. At huge expense.

Or are you assuming they'll all open onto the corridor?

[quote Joeblack066]There’s a museum near me that just has Toilets. Aeroplanes just have Toilets. Many small cafes just have single Toilet. They’ve been around for... always. It’s the name that seems to change things.?
Oh and this happened in a ‘safe space’ 🤷‍♀️

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-56430523.amp[/quote]
Yeah... and I hate using toilets like that and avoid them if possible

I have said this so many times on 2 different toilet threads but these are the main points:

1. Where do you go if you feel ill? The toilet

My friends and I saved a young women who had collapsed and was unconscious. I saw her foot sticking out of the gap and we shimmed over the top and opened the door from the inside. She needed vomit clearing out of her mouth.

Epilepsy and heart conditions affect children too. And self harming. Time is vital if they collapse.

In a fire drill, how long does a teacher wait by a locked door if they don’t know if anyone is even in it.

1. Sexual assaults and rape. One rape per school day is reported to have happened INSIDE a school each school day. In is not a good idea to have mix-sexed toilets for these reasons.

1. Practicality of smells intensifying in a small enclosed place and the stigma thereof.

1. Hygiene - both for girls sanitary wear and also you can’t mop a floor as effectively so it will get really crusty around the door and wall bottoms, causing the doors to expand and jam as you’ll need a very small gap to prevent phones being used to spy.

There’s a museum near me that just has Toilets. Aeroplanes just have Toilets. Many small cafes just have single Toilet. They’ve been around for... always. It’s the name that seems to change things.?
Oh and this happened in a ‘safe space’ 🤷‍♀️

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-56430523.amp

Ffs has noone heard of "designing out crime" in building and urban planning design? Design is supposed to make crimes HARDER to commit, not easier!!!

Boys could just as easily follow the into the girls loos and lock the door.

It won't be perfect but on balance I do think it will be preferable to the current style toilet block and as I said makes supervision a whole lot easier.

My preference would be these kinds of toilets marked separately male and female, but no one was going to spend that money "just" to reduce bullying.

I suspect in practice, as with PP's child's school, the signage will be changed in time and that's what we'll end up with.

Why do you think it's being done then @DirectionsForUse?