I've just been called "unscientific" for saying that you cannot change sex

[quote GoldenSun1]Genotypic/chromosomal sex cannot be changed, phenotypic sex is modifiable (by developmental processes, hormone treatment, surgery) and gender is a social construct

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK10943/[/quote]
Phenotype doesn't mean just breast and external genitals, it also means reproductive system, pelvic shape, heart size, lung size, muscle strength, size of hands, voice, gait, torso length.... Surgery is just that - it artificially changes appearance.

[quote GoldenSun1]Genotypic/chromosomal sex cannot be changed, phenotypic sex is modifiable (by developmental processes, hormone treatment, surgery) and gender is a social construct

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK10943/[/quote]
I think that is pretty much what I was saying!

Genotypic/chromosomal sex cannot be changed, phenotypic sex is modifiable (by developmental processes, hormone treatment, surgery) and gender is a social construct

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK10943/

So it isn't literally possible. It's cosmetic, incomplete, a facsimile.

Your statement that phenotypes change due to ageing is also mistake, We age, that is our natural state. So our phenotypes don't change, they age with us! They don't morph into something else, with different function etc.

And yes, that does also include the malfunction of ageing and cancers etc.

But phenotypes change all the time based on environmental factors and the physiological process of aging, it's obv not all genetics. So it is literally possible though potentially not socially/culturally significant

Still nothing to do with changing sex. My hair resembles a badger's now but nobody is calling me Brock.

And if they insist "sexual characteristics" are sex, point out the logical fallacy - they must know what sex is to distinguish sexual characteristics from mere characteristics...

But phenotypes change all the time based on environmental factors and the physiological process of aging, it's obv not all genetics. So it is literally possible though potentially not socially/culturally significant

My entire head just exploded

Just reversing the logic ridiculous word salad of queer theory.

Great minds, AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken

I would ask them how you can change sex, not sexual characteristics, but sex, as determined in your dna.

Jinx

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Which one is actually a cat?

AKA - you can change the appearance of something but not its essential traits.

But we could nit pick that for ages.

You can't change chromosomal sex but you can change phenotypic sex. The problem is using the term "sex" as a catch all.

Sure you can change the way you look " phenotypic" by removing body parts and adding artificial body parts , just as some people have tattooed their face and split their tongues to look like reptiles. However, this does not change your sex class or in the latter case your species

you can change phenotypic sex

Can you? You can change secondary sexual characteristics and remove the primary functioning associated with your own sex. Do you have any evidence you can change phenotypic sex to the opposite sex?

(Seecondary characteristics can of course be variable in people who, rightly, in no way consider themselves to have 'changed sex' eg men taking spironolactone developing breasts or some women with PCOS developing facial hair.)

Anyone mentioned Project Nettie yet?

projectnettie.wordpress.com/

Sexual reproduction, the generation of offspring by fusion of genetic material from two different individuals, evolved over 1 billion years ago. It is the reproductive strategy of all higher animals and plants, including the mammalian class to which humans belong. Humans can be differentiated into two categories by their reproductive roles. Females make eggs and gestate live young. Males generate sperm to fertilise the female egg. In accordance with their respective roles, females and males have different reproductive anatomies (“biological sex”). No other reproductive mechanism exists in humans. In contradiction of evolutionary history and millennia of human observations, highly-esteemed scientific periodicals are running articles undermining the observable reality of biological sex.

“Biologists now think there is a larger spectrum than just binary female and male.” Scientific American, Oct 22 2018
“The research and medical community now sees sex as more complex than male and female.” Nature, Oct 30 2018

In response to these claims, Project Nettie was born. What is Project Nettie? Project Nettie is an online and regularly updated record of scientists, medics and those in related disciplines who, by signing their support for the Project Nettie statement (below), assert the material reality of biological sex and reject attempts to reframe it as a malleable social construct.

You can't change chromosomal sex but you can change phenotypic sex. The problem is using the term "sex" as a catch all.

Placemarking so I can come back to this for Mishy to continue my biology education

Or not?

Ask them to describe the clitoris.

Working class people are, on average, less agreeable and conformist- nobody gives a shit if truck drivers hold the 'right' beliefs. The sectors with the highest R number are those in which it's important to conform to be successful.