Nicole Smallman and Bibaa - man accused of their killing in court

What they did I find almost beyond belief. Where was their human decency? Do they have any?

I'm glad they got these sentences, which were actually longer than I expected (but not necessarily as long as I think they deserve).

Glad they've been sentenced now. I hope that will also mean some kind of dishonourable discharge from the force, whatever that would be called. And removal of pensions and all that. They should never in their lives again be able to take any benefit from having been a police officer.

So much respect for Mina Smallman who has been so resolute and articulate through the loss of her daughters.

It's that to me, not having all the info, he sounds very mentally unwell.

On the basis that you could only do something like this if mentally ill? So therefore..

Good.

I'm just glad there's a custodial sentence.

Good. Nasty little shits.

Good.
How long will they actually serve though?
Has it ever come to light how they were discovered to have done this? Presumably someone they showed the images to informed on them? I hope that person/people are not suffering any consequences in their daily life at work.

Most deaths murdered women aren't reported nationally at all.

There have been some threads about artist Henny Beaumont's Disappearing Women - a MNer mention that one mother and daughter pair who had been killed were fairly near to her and she hadn't heard about it.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4220049-disappearing-women-a-beautiful-tribute?msgid=106547110

correction

the demon he mede a contract with is listed here

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifuge_Rofocale

I am unsure of the provenence of this alleged demon and he does not appear in the Lesser Key of Solomon. The grimoire mentioned in the wiki page appears to be of questionable provenence. I am no expert but there are many fake grimoires floating around including several versions of the Necronomicon.

Obviously, like any rational person, I do not believe in there being a bureaucratically structured ranking of ancient demons that can be summoned and forced to reveal secrets, bestow wealth and power etc.

However some cults do believe in such things and it is by no means certain that everyone who believes in such things is mentally ill.

supporting links

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9676781/Sisters-murder-accused-told-officers-scared-confused.html

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lesser_Key_of_Solomon

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lesser_Key_of_Solomon#The_Seventy-Two_Demons

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lesser_Key_of_Solomon#/media/File:72_Goeta_sigils.png

The Mail had an article that included a photo of the occult symbols Danyal Hussein had drawn to accompany his contract with "the devil".

The symbols are sigils from the grimoire The Lesser Key of Solomon

The sigils relate to the following demons

Paimon, Bune, Focator and Beleth

The demon Paimon featured in the horror film Hereditary and it is possible that Hussein watched Hereditary, looked up Paimon online and discovered The Lesser Key of Solomon and developed his horrific strategy from there.

I mention this because the sigils he drew and the demon he penned a contract with are all mentioned in the Lesser Key of Solomon (a C17 grimoire, later translations and publications of which can be bought easily online) and were not simply plucked from his imagination.

In fact the sigils for the demons found in Hussein's bedroom can be found via wikipedia, so he would not have even needed to buy the book.

Of course none of this is as important as the fact that 2 wonderful, innocent sisters were horiffically murdered. I am sharing the info about the sigils because posters here have assumed that the alleged murderer must be mentally ill based on his diabolic contract. I have no idea whether he is mentally all but feel that, under the circumstances, we should not jump to conclusions about his motives (if guilty).

It's Sarah who is the outlier.

Most deaths murdered women aren't reported nationally at all.

Speaking of Sarah, it’s quite sad that headlines involving her seem to be more prominent than Bibaa/Nicole even though the trial is ongoing. It’s just another example of the low attention their deaths received

Yes, thats the group. I hope they have more self awareness than to pull the same stunt twice.

Didn’t they do this with the Sarah vigil (turned out to be a self promo op for them).

You'd think people running a vigil would have asked the family for approval first, thats massively disrespectful.

Reclaim these streets crowd again?

If it's Reclaim These Streets, I'd be apprehensive that they're staging it for their own purposes rather than as a declaration of support for the family.

There is going to be a vigil for Nicole and Bibaa. I hope it gives some comfort to their mum. I can’t imagine what she has been through, not just with this but with the way they were treated after their deaths.

inews.co.uk/news/uk/bibaa-henry-nicole-smallman-trial-reclaim-these-streets-women-not-front-pages-1038681

And shared the images in watsapp group with colleagues.

One reported it. Otherwise no one would know.

The aspects that shocked me were:

• he was in the park prior to attacking them for hours, so he could have been stalking them for the entirety of their visit

• Nicole witnessed him murder her sister, and that her death was more prolonged. She must have been fucking terrified. I’m so angry

• he posed their bodies

To top it off; the Met couldn’t be bothered to look for them when they were initially reported missing, and officers had the audacity to take selfies with their dead bodies. You just couldn’t make it up, these women didn’t do anything to be treated so disgracefully

Thanks Wee.

Tbh and I don't know obv but after the total disaster of the police handling they need a trial to be reported and look we got him and he's going to jail and also distract people from remembering their actions etc.

I am very cynical though.

@NiceGerbil, he will only go through trial if he is mentally fit to participate. He has to be able to understand what is going on and to take instructions. If he is too mentally unwell to stand trial then he will be treated and stabilised until he can participate. If he is diagnosed with a severe mental illness he can be transferred to Broadmoor or another secure facility (that's what happened to Peter Sutcliffe, I think he was sent to a normal prison and then later transferred.)

I mean I'm not a law expert but that's where they put the impossibly dangerous criminals isn't it, and the other facilities that have the same purpose.

It's not about a defence for me.

It's that to me, not having all the info, he sounds very mentally unwell.

If that is the case and he goes through normal process then it could well mean a dodgy trial which could cause problems down the line, and in a standard prison he could well be a risk to himself and others.

Going to a place like Broadmoor where they can keep you there forever (I believe) is surely better all round.