Starmer and the Labour Party Really Cannot Read the Room

Batley and Spen will give a more accurate picture of where Labour currently stands - if they tank there, especially with an expectation that people will reciprocate the tactical voting in the last by-election, they really are in trouble.

jasjas I suspect a factor in the 'red wall' is that a lot of the swing to Conservatives comes from older owner-occupiers.

That's what I mean by housing being an issue.

How you are situated vis a vis housing is a massive issue now. It impacts on everything.

Brexit is why Lab lost in the north.

Social housing with cheap rents is the answer, always was, always will be.

Housing is such a major factor in politics.

Pretty sure it's a major issue in the change in the 'Red Wall', too.

But i don't no the area, either way, its a side show, God almighty could have come out in support of Lab and they'd still have got very few votes, its a tory seat for over 50 years - they musy be well pissed with Boris

It' s huge issue and i do NOT mix with wealthy NIMBYS, more working class tories.

The Labour Party did campaign for the seat. I saw a picture on Twitter of Angela Rayner, Stephen Morgan and other MPs down there yesterday.

*fait accompli

HS2 is a fair accompli. The government wants to build more houses (no one can deny that the Home Counties need them) and there are plenty of rich NIMBYs there who don't want it.

Lisa Nandy:

"It’s always special to be part of the #prideofmanchester awards, but this year I was especially proud to present the Lifetime Achievement award to the inspirational
@christineburns"

twitter.com/lisanandy/status/1398368205068963847?s=20

"The same person who had a book talking about the strategy of getting men in women’s prisons? You should be ashamed and embarrassed at your willingness to be groomed at the expense of the most vulnerable and mainly working class women!"

twitter.com/STILLTish/status/1398422480360980481?s=20

(I'd love to read Burns' book, but I'm not fucking paying for it.)
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I think the tories lost because (in no particular order)
Lab didn't campaign (local pact) the care homes issue is starting to register with voters, nhs waiting lists, LD restriction delays, foreign travel, johnsons buffoonery... G7 hypocrisy..

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-57383497

The lib dem candidate was outspoken against HS2

Maybe not that then!

By-election result might have more to do with HS2 than anything else. Hugely unpopular locally.
Dismal result for Labour

Is it libel? Calling someone a transphobe with no evidence of any transphobic actions or statements?

It certainly is. They must rely on Maya being too busy with her other legal action to sue them. Or possibly they are just stupid.

Layla Moran is thanking people for 'lent votes' on Twitter.

All votes are lent. Or should be.

Jess Phillips seemed completely unperturbed on the radio news this morning. Brexit ain't gone yet. Good to be reminded.

entitled as Maya is to hold the same protected belief, and they go after him? Not too bright, are they?

It does seem pretty fucking dim.

I think they may be protected from their dimness by the fact it's a political party, and it's not clear to me how much legal requirement there is on political parties to not discriminate on belief, or anything else, within their membership. There may be no recourse - it isn't employment, or housing, or any sort of service, or the government. It's notionally a private organisation.

But I doubt they thought that deeply into it.

Layla Moran is thanking people for 'lent votes' on Twitter.

Ugh. I expect she can see into their souls and tell who was normally a Labour voter.

On 10 June, Laurie posted a tweet describing the procedural decision in favour of high-profile transphobe Maya Forstater at an employment tribunal as a “victory for women’s rights” and a “victory for free speech”

He positively commented on a judgement where gender critical beliefs and some element of freedom of speech related to them were confirmed as protected in law, so is as entitled as Maya is to hold the same protected belief, and they go after him? Not too bright, are they?

Sometimes people really do get together to undermine FPTP.

For some reason, it happdns far less in General Elections.

Layla Moran is thanking people for 'lent votes' on Twitter.

18th October 2018 OP
"Yesterday on a thread condemning Stephen Whittle's use of predicted suicide, he joined and commented confidently:

In the end we will pull ourselves together and continue the campaigning – as we have always done. We know we have Labour behind this one, so will simply do our best to get them elected. As I tell the community “we have always lost more battles than we have won, but we only ever need to win the big one”.

I hope that clarifies matters.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3397010-Guardian-article-on-MPs-concern-with-GRA?msgid=81891984#81891984

Last night at Pink News party, Jeremy Corbyn apparently confirmed Whittle's belief:
'PinkNews Awards 2018: Jeremy Corbyn vows support for transgender reforms'
by Nick Duffy
(extract)
"Speaking about transgender rights, he said: “We must speak up for the trans community, who today face shocking attacks in the media—just as lesbian and gay people did in the 1980s—as well as now online, which can be a wonderful place but also a horrendous place where attacks take place.

“Labour supports reform of the Gender Recognition Act and Equality Act to allow for self-declaration. The deadline for Government’s consultation is on Friday.

“Trans people must be able to live full, healthy, and happy lives—being the person they want to be. Labour will stand up for their right to do so.”
www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/10/17/jeremy-corbyn-pinknews-awards-2018/

Yesterday too, the Labour Party promoted Stonewall's guidance for the GRA:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3397280-Labour-party-promoting-Stonewall (continues) "

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3398127-Stephen-Whittle-influential-TRA-asserts-We-know-we-have-Labour-behind-this-one-so-will-simply-do-our-best-to-get-them-elected-Corbyn-seems-to-confirm-this-at-Pink-News

That is astonishing

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-57472032

622 votes in a constituency of 38,000 is so bad it's comical.

Where does Labour think it's heading?

Labour Nexus who we are page is very male, the 2 twitter handles that could be female have deactivated. One of which was the chair who put out that statement.

It's just another by the men for the men group, women are allowed as long as they don't have opinions