Starmer and the Labour Party Really Cannot Read the Room

You sound like me 3 years ago when I left the party.

Answer in my case was a number of spoilt ballot papers then a fuck it moment when yes, I did the unthinkable and voted Tory after Brexit was a done deal.

It is a hill I'm willing to die on.

A LP in government isn't going to tick my boxes right now of protecting actual vulnerable women when they don't know what a woman is.

My grandfather, god bless his soul was a LP member of 60 years standing when he died and a Labour councillor for 20 years.

I was worried he might haunt me, until I reasoned that my grandmother (a staunch welsh feminist) would have told him to get back in his box grave .

And no, not sorry for the gallows humour - seems appropriate when it feels like we are watching the end of a political party I invested so much time/energy in supporting.

KS is frankly a wuss....and I don't buy that he's between a rock and a hard place.

Blair (love or hate him) as leader made a stand about the party he wanted to lead and to bring it to the centre left. His challenge against the militant left was no more difficult to the one KS is facing now - the difference is he didn't spend time getting splinters in his arse.

What an absolute fucking dick. I honestly thought he would come right in the end. It's like having two lib dem parties. Arseholes.

Because in the U.K., I don’t know if you’ve noticed, the majority of voters aren’t voting for the stuff he’s espousing.

But sure, if you think you’re on the right side of history, just aim to go down in ignominy as an unelected party with an unelectable leader in the meantime, that’s just the way to get into those history books.

I've just emailed to cancel my membership too, having previously been very active in my CLP. So disappointed.

I'd say he's picked a side and it's not women. I guess our hard won rights and ongoing fights for equality and freedom from violence just aren't interesting enough for him.

Anyway good to know there really is no point bothering with labour now. Even if they row back on this it's too little too late. I'm done with them

Who is advising KS? The same people who told Miliband to stare wild-eyed into the camera and say "vote for me to be your next PM!" because that worked for Obama in 2008.

Looks like Labour don't think they need the women's vote to win... True, but more generally - they don't seem to understand the correlation between being voted for by voters and winning an election.

Starmer is going to have to pick a side on this soon. He has; he just doesn't have the guts or the passion to be consistently honest and clear about it.

I’m out. I tried to give back my membership a few days ago, but they still haven’t cancelled it. So I’ve just sent another message, I’m guessing they’ll have hundreds to do now though. I can’t trust Labour to safeguard my daughters sex based rights. PPs are correct KS is such a disappointment.

That reminds me; evidence please?

How? In what way?

It's worth signing up to the webinars The baroness is running.

The evidence being discussed eg nhs wards and data is shocking re safeguarding.

One glance and KS will realise what a pile of shite he's just spouted.

He's going to get a huge shock if he does get into power and actually has to look at how to get what he's described working.

But it's not going to happen 🤷🏻‍♀️

Holy crap.

I listened to that video of SK standing in fields of green with a blue sky thinking yeah fair enough fair enough nodding along to it all THEN he says

"We are committed to updating the GRA to introduce self ID for trans people"

He has learned nothing!

I actually feel afraid of what would happen if they get in.
I never thought I'd feel like that.

I am the archetypal labour voter, I haven't even considered voting for someone other than labour.

I've just emailed to cancel my membership, clearly labour do not represent my best interests anymore.

Who do I vote for now?

Keir has definitely picked a side
"Trans people are some of the most discriminated against in society"...

To do this, and to do it through Pink News, fucking hell...

Yup, it's a clear fuck off to women, I'm happy to oblige.

Oh, my partner is a member and is considering leaving now. He definitely doesn't support self-id, as he says "it's a pretty extreme position". The

To do this, and to do it through Pink News, fucking hell...

That's my vote lost.

It looks like he has.

Does that mean he will continue to try to ignore what women are telling him? Ok then. I guess then if Labour continues to ignore this issue, and continues to ignore Baroness Falkner's advice that women should indeed have a voice in conflicts about their rights, continues to ignore the court cases, Labour will continue to ask questions about their lack of election wins.

With the way the Labour party is right now, I'm starting to believe that they don't want to be in power and just prefer jeering from the sidelines.

Labour is dead to me.

Over 4 generations - my Great Grandparents were of those who built it.

I remember when he picked my question for his online session here when running for Leader of the Labour Party and gave a complete non answer. (which was then picked up by pr*ck news). He then ignored my two follow up emails to him.

Disappointment then, disappointment now. There’s no way I’d vote Labour now.

Former Labour Party member. I spoilt my ballot paper rather than vote last general election. Labour can foxtrot oscar if they think they will ever get my vote again.

Loser

It looks like he has.

But unfortunately for him, anything other than complete capitulation (which would include a public sacrifice of Rosie Duffield and ensuring that any woman who dares to state that women have a cervix or similar is immediately sent to the gulag) is not enough for the people he is trying to appeal to, hence all the 'ROSIE DUFFIELD STILL HAS THE WHIP' stuff that comes after any post of this nature.

And I and many others won't vote for Labour while their stance is that male rapists can go to a female prisons if they feel like it.

So he is going to have to choose....