Starmer and the Labour Party Really Cannot Read the Room

Yes, RedToothBrush, I think it is time (beyond time, in fact,) for the leadership to weigh in here.

@irresistibleoverwhelm

It was shit wasn't it

All he's said is that he is supportive of trans rights and, generally, supportive of self-id.

We know there is an issue with the current situation - the medical route was painful, long and arduous.

That's why the old GRA looked like an easy win - there was a lot of consensus that change was needed.

But the devil, of course, is in the detail.

We know that - and now a lot more people know that.

Across the board self-id is vanishingly unlikely. The Labour manifesto accepts that.

And in this statement, Starmer has gone no further than what is in the manifesto.

People tried to do this.

They were bullied out. Or marginalised deliberately.

I fear that ship sailed for some time.

The leadership have to lead on this. They don't want to.

The Conservatives will increase their majority at the next election unless something fundamental changes.

If everyone leans in, they'll just have to listen!

Ive been banging on about the issue for years to much eyerolling from friends including hard core labour / ld supporters (and elected representatives) and full on social justice supporters. They have given me a fair amount of shit at points.

However of late, they have started to say things I've been saying for years. And in addition to that, that Starmer is a disappointment.

Its interesting to see the penny dropping and them admitting i had a point all along.

One actively came out with a comment about extemists last week which really did make me sit up and think the tide is turning.

These are people who naturally want to be inclusive - the problem is they are realising that this extremism is exactly the opposite and is creating exclusion and leaving large groups in a position where they are marginalised because of views which are at odds with reality and safeguarding.

Its not about not reading the room or echo chambers. This is about a failure to understand that current policy is alienating large groups of people who are sympathetic to the cause but think that this shit is fundamentally missing the point and discriminating against others now.

Why are we being blamed for this? Keyboard warriors my arse.
Its not just loud voices on Twitter, thats the party leader speaking. Wake up.

I mean you could equally say, join a party with a more sensible policy on this, and see what you can do to move their other policies. It might be more manageable.

But the fact is if they keep losing votes, the LP won't be a player at all. So they can see the writing on the wall or become an irrelevancy.

Absolutely appalled by his speech. I can't vote for them again. I'm also appalled he dismissed all the LGB people who fought for equality and said it was pioneered by the T.

Why would I join my local Labour Party and express my views that supports female human rights, when it would mean I have to worry about being threatened with a baseball bat? Put extra security measures in my home? Worry about my DC? I've already got CCTV and a sealed up letterbox.

I choose to write my letters, and work my networks and contacts. To support Rosie Duffield. To make efforts to hold MPs to account. It all adds up.

I wish I were joking about the local politics. In England. It's heartbreaking we're here.

Well that says it all doesn’t it and in the Pink news after that terrible interview yesterday.

I popped into my office yesterday and one of the younger women started talking to me about what she had heard.....the deletion of with word mother by organisations. She was really upset and amazed. And I didn’t even need to show my cards! Job done.

I guess he is going to increase the number of women voting labour by letting men self id as women?

I too rescinded my membership. I'd been a card carrying, active CLP member for 30+ years.

I was challenged, shouted at, called names and told to fuck off out of the party, because I wouldn't agree with it's more woke ideas.

I did fight it from the inside, voted against their misogynistic policies - and was castigated for doing so.

I'll never vote for them again. Root and branch the Labour Party has forgotten it's history and it's reasons for existing.

Like the other women in my CLP we were bullied out by party members in plain view.

Quite. Have people forgotten what happened in Battle and Bexhill in 2017, the Labour party did nothing.

And I do think this is where we need KS to act.

It's partly an issue of what culture prevails in the Party.

A culture in which a debate on a subject which is known to be open to debate is silenced, and bullying of those with certain views is allowed to take place, is a toxic culture. And that has to stop.

It's beyond dysfunctional and delusional when we know that outside the Party people are not wholly persuaded to the idea of self-id without limits or debate.

I really mean it when I say 'delusional' too. It's like pretending the world - and the electorate - outside the members doesn't exist. And in a political Party, that is a form of madness.

I will not lend my support to any party that treats women's rights like the fucking hunger games.

MidClrgs I’m in a CLP which literally drummed out councillors with more than 49 years experience - men and women - who wouldn’t sign up to a public TWAW manifesto, and in which the leader of the Labour group goes on social media to publicly berate anyone - even members and ex-councillors with decades’ worth of experience - who dares even a sniff of a question of the local party line on trans stuff. Women in the local party have just been stamped on (and some quietly harassed into resigning or shutting up). The idea that we can effect any change in that culture is laughable, and what’s more, none of us want to make the effort given the personal nastiness that results.

I had such high hopes for KS. He really, really needs new advisors and a backbone.

Honestly, the manifesto position in this was penned by Lachlan Stewart.

Starmer hasn't said anything that is outside of that position.

I don't understand why everyone is suggesting he's saying any more than that.

He's not.

I’d love to see the Labour Party membership numbers over the past couple of years. Is it going up or down? Who is leaving? Who is joining?

At some point it begins to feel like a toxic relationship and as others have said, why pay membership fees, they don’t represent the rights of women and girls. Any Labour councillors who have done have been hounded out of the party or their posts. Rosie is a brave lone voice and constantly attacked by gender identity extremists. The Labour Party has allowed identity politics to destroy it.

I agree, MidClrgs. People, you need to join, not leave. And join now. Believe me, the progressive/lefties amongst you are wanted and needed. FFS - you have a right to be there. Don't let yourselves get edged out by loud voices on Twitter.

I wasn't edged out by loud voices on Twitter.

Like the other women in my CLP we were bullied out by party members in plain view.

as a previous poster said, it's on PN twitter feed, not KS', not Labour. I know because I tried to find it. I think he's trying to keep it quiet.
You'd have thought he'd have checked out Dawn Butler's poll results.