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Abertay University student Lisa Keogh cleared after being investigated for saying women have vaginas

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ChristinaXYZ · 09/06/2021 12:15

“While I may no longer be a student at the University, it is still vital to me that others have the opportunity to take part in lively open debates without worrying about being punished afterwards.

“If Abertay just carries on as before, this journey will have been for no good reason.”

She went on: “Although Abertay denies this, it was my gender critical views that led to me being investigated by the University and this should never have happened.

"I know the University has a duty to investigate all complaints, but to draw this process out for two months while I was taking my final exams was needlessly cruel.

“The University should put a process in place that will enable it to judge what complaints need to be investigated and which ones can be dismissed immediately because they’re vexatious and politically motivated."

This has caused an enormous chilling effect.

www.heraldscotland.com/news/19359567.abertay-university-student-lisa-keogh-cleared-investigated-saying-women-vaginas/

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MichelleScarn · 10/06/2021 11:40

Yes @peadarm how dare she not capitulate and do as we say, and even tell people about this.
Ridiculous, how Abertay can think this makes them look an attractive choice is beyond me!

peadarm · 10/06/2021 11:02

Abertay are pretty much unrepentant. Instead of apologising for subjecting one of their students to a witchhunt, their statement disapprovingly referred to the fact that "the student involved in this case has chosen to comment publicly".

DisappearingGirl · 10/06/2021 10:26

Just posted on other thread but should be covering this sometime between now and 11am today on Woman's Hour:

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_fourfm

MichelleScarn · 10/06/2021 10:12

@CroydianSlip

She's just spoken brilliantly.

I can't believe WH are finally breaking their silence this week!

I'm hoping its not from the stance of how awful this is going to be for the poor students who felt so offended they complained about her. Ill not hold my breath that WH will be supportive.
CroydianSlip · 10/06/2021 10:05

She's just spoken brilliantly.

I can't believe WH are finally breaking their silence this week!

nauticant · 10/06/2021 10:04

This is going to be discussed today on Woman's Hour:

twitter.com/BBCWomansHour/status/1402899494019244033

MountainWitch · 09/06/2021 21:50

Scotland needs women like Lisa in law. Great strength of character and tenacity, I'm so pleased for her.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 09/06/2021 21:39

I hope the whinging little cry-babies get a kick up the bum over this. The universities have helped to create this environment by bowing to the every demand of their immature students.

AlfonsoTheMango · 09/06/2021 17:25

Hooray for common sense! I'm sorry that she had to go through this, though.

ScreamingMeMe · 09/06/2021 17:19

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

“Although Abertay has decided I’m innocent of all charges, the ordeal I have been through has been a punishment in itself.”

An important point. All these cases being brought against women, they are punished by being investigated - it doesn't really matter if they are found guilty or not.

Women aren't going to speak out even if they know they are within the rules / law because of this sort of thing.

Absolutely. So while the end result is "thank fuck for that", it's at a cost. It needs to not get to that point in the first place.
LizzieSiddal · 09/06/2021 17:12

I’m so pleased this nonesense has come to an end for Lisa and it should never have got this far. I hope the university are looking at their policies so this never happens again.

As LT said “Women do have Vaginas Nick.” and someone saying that shouldn’t be “investigated” by any institution.

littlbrowndog · 09/06/2021 16:09

It’s official. Us women in Scotland have vaginas 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽

Abertay University student Lisa Keogh cleared after being investigated for saying women have vaginas
AnyOldPrion · 09/06/2021 15:31

The university has stressed the allegations were not in relation to Ms Keogh's personal opinions, but to alleged behaviour in class, including in some online breakout rooms.

Presumably the alleged behaviour involved expressing views that other students didn’t like. How mealy mouthed are the university?

FindTheTruth · 09/06/2021 15:20

💐💐💐Lisa Keogh ❤️I'm glad we've got women like you starting out in law. Good luck.

Artichokeleaves · 09/06/2021 14:42

should put a process in place that will enable it to judge what complaints need to be investigated and which ones can be dismissed immediately because they’re vexatious and politically motivated

And government. In fact can we just have this everywhere please? What happened to Lisa was shocking. When a system that relies on people using it in good faith is used in this way then the system has to move to screen out such users.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 09/06/2021 14:27

The University should put a process in place that will enable it to judge what complaints need to be investigated and which ones can be dismissed immediately because they’re vexatious and politically motivated

Not just at universities, but also workplaces, school, the police etc etc.

Shedbuilder · 09/06/2021 13:22

Let's hope that female students thinking of attending Abertay University decide to look elsewhere.

Floisme · 09/06/2021 13:19

I'm very pleased for Lisa and hope she goes from strength to strength in her career. If I ever need a lawyer, I will want someone with this kind of strength and tenacity.

Like other posters, I'm outraged she was ever in this situation. I think I had better keep to myself my thoughts on the university and on whoever made the complaint.

HermioneWeasley · 09/06/2021 13:19

Good news. Brave and principled woman

AfternoonToffee · 09/06/2021 13:14

Fantastic news, but it should never have reached the stage it did.

PearPickingPorky · 09/06/2021 13:12

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

“Although Abertay has decided I’m innocent of all charges, the ordeal I have been through has been a punishment in itself.”

An important point. All these cases being brought against women, they are punished by being investigated - it doesn't really matter if they are found guilty or not.

Women aren't going to speak out even if they know they are within the rules / law because of this sort of thing.

Exactly. The reason these vexatious reports are made (whether it's to the police, universities or employers) is because the investigation process itself is so awful for women to go through. The threat of that makes women not say anything, just in case. Which is exactly the reason these anti-women extremists do it.
Igmum · 09/06/2021 12:47

Excellent news. So pleased but how appalling that she was put through this

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/06/2021 12:43

“Although Abertay has decided I’m innocent of all charges, the ordeal I have been through has been a punishment in itself.”

An important point. All these cases being brought against women, they are punished by being investigated - it doesn't really matter if they are found guilty or not.

Women aren't going to speak out even if they know they are within the rules / law because of this sort of thing.

PerditaCambellBlack · 09/06/2021 12:29

Such bullshit that it was even investigated. Good luck Lisa.

Cailin66 · 09/06/2021 12:29

So glad for her. What a horrendous ordeal for stating biological facts. And will those who caused this needless stress be punished or have to apologise ....