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Maya's judgement Thursday 10th June 10.30am

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/06/2021 18:13

Wishing her the very best of luck. twitter.com/MForstater/status/1402310977115279362?s=20

I'll be absolutely gutted if the original decision isn't overturned, but at least her case has let a lot of sunlight in.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/06/2021 09:39

I’ve heard Smith on this before. She’s been extremely and unpleasantly woke.

She didn't do particularly well.

borntobequiet · 10/06/2021 09:37

@Clymene

Sarah Smith was the presenter. I don't know her but she just seemed to be parroting Stonewall stuff. Cherry was awesome.
I’ve heard Smith on this before. She’s been extremely and unpleasantly woke.
vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 10/06/2021 09:34

Like, I'm not anti-trans, I'm pro women. I don't mind what adults do, or dress or call themsevelse, NOMB. But, I DO mind that most girls are sexually harrassed/worse in school and I DO mind that 41 women have been murdered by men since Sarah Everard was killed. So I'm pro-women because that's my tribe that's dying and being assaulted and terrified. I'm no more anti-trans than I am anti-men or anti-poor-legislation

Manderleyagain · 10/06/2021 09:34

Sarah Smith was the presenter. I don't know her but she just seemed to be parroting Stonewall stuff. Cherry was awesome.
I am pretty sure she was the one who interviewed Graham linehan on newsnight in that horrible uncomfortable hostile interview. I'm sure she was following the BBC line but I think it's her opinion too.

AvantGardening · 10/06/2021 09:33

I’m so nervous. I hope common sense prevails.

SlipperyDippery · 10/06/2021 09:33

@heathspeedwell

One hour to go, I'm trying to work but I can't concentrate on anything else!
Yeah I’m absolutely shitting it.
vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 10/06/2021 09:33

I think SS had to present it that way for BBC to allow it to be raised at all. Someone has to be on the anti-side.

What other words can we use for GC? Sex approving? Sex fundamentalist? Sex Beleiver?

crumpet · 10/06/2021 09:33

I know - this will be a very long hour!

CriticalCondition · 10/06/2021 09:32

I keep checking the time and can't settle to anything.

FindTheTruth · 10/06/2021 09:30

'Sex matters' belief

MTCoffeePot · 10/06/2021 09:28

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I agree with you, but that's how it's being framed.
Hopefully this framing of reality as a belief will get more people questioning the ideology at the root. I think that Joanna’s clarity in the interview and being allowed to put across so many important points is an achievement in itself on the BBC. Fingers crossed.
heathspeedwell · 10/06/2021 09:28

One hour to go, I'm trying to work but I can't concentrate on anything else!

Cailin66 · 10/06/2021 09:28

June that is a problem for sure. I think it's because - gender critical - sounds negative. That you are -critical- and therefore - against something. And most people have no clue what being gender critical actually means. I've tried this with my DH too, he thinks I'm nuts. At the end of the day it means that we believe biological women are women. And trans women are not biological women. More than a belief, because it's an actual biological fact.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/06/2021 09:24

She did define it later as people who believe sex is immutable and that women should have sex based services and spaces.

JuneJustRains · 10/06/2021 09:23

Agree that they really needed to define gender critical. It was open to interpretation as ‘people who don’t think other people should be transgender’.

I know this because I asked DH, my useful barometer of ‘well meaning but not interested’ opinion, and that’s what he’d got from it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/06/2021 09:18

I agree with you, but that's how it's being framed.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/06/2021 09:17

Gender critical beliefs clash with that ideological belief.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/06/2021 09:17

But there is an ideology which is founded in the belief that biological sex is unimportant.

Howzaboutye · 10/06/2021 09:16

I can't quite believe that the defence has to be her beliefs. Like, you can't actually change sex. Chromosomes don't change. Really odd that biology has to be seen as a belief.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/06/2021 09:14

I'm glad the interviewer was robust. Because it let Cherry explain properly what this appeal case is about. Which is that people should be allowed to have gender critical beliefs.

Yes, definitely. I'm very happy with that piece of radio. I'm glad she was able to state this from Maya's perspective rather than the trans perspective, that this is about not being able to "discriminate against, harass or victimise" people for their gender critical beliefs. Before that I think there was a segment on harassment against women and girls, anyone familiar with what happened to JK Rowling might start to join the dots.

Howzaboutye · 10/06/2021 09:13

Sarah Smith was following the BBC policy line. The questions would have been decided by the production team. This was 'the' high profile time slot, they could have hidden it away any other time from 7am.

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Starbar66 · 10/06/2021 09:09

JC was excellent, and it was so refreshing to hear reference to 'spaces, sports' etc, and liberal use of 'gender-critical' on mainstream media as an acceptable 'other' side of the argument. Bizarre how presenter kept going back to the 'being kind' part of this as somehow weighted as heavily as observing legal protections... madness.

Cailin66 · 10/06/2021 09:09

I'm glad the interviewer was robust. Because it let Cherry explain properly what this appeal case is about. Which is that people should be allowed to have gender critical beliefs.

Maya is doing us all a great service no matter what happens today. And just in case, even if she loses this can go further.

Clymene · 10/06/2021 09:08

Sarah Smith was the presenter. I don't know her but she just seemed to be parroting Stonewall stuff. Cherry was awesome.

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