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Maya's judgement Thursday 10th June 10.30am

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/06/2021 18:13

Wishing her the very best of luck. twitter.com/MForstater/status/1402310977115279362?s=20

I'll be absolutely gutted if the original decision isn't overturned, but at least her case has let a lot of sunlight in.

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BathTangle · 10/06/2021 11:11

what other protected characteristics might be relevant if someone doesn't qualify for gender reassignment?

Sex. If a TW failed at gaining a promotion for wearing a dress to the interview (for example) that could easily be argued as sex-based discrimination because a woman would be allowed to wear a dress with impunity.

Something similar done in the USA in the 1970s, where wives of servicemen were entitled to be dependents of their husbands and get financial support, but husbands of service women were not. This was challenged on the basis of sex discrimination and was won.

FannyCann · 10/06/2021 11:11

Such a relief, fantastic news.

Now need stickers and posters of this image.

Maya's judgement Thursday 10th June 10.30am
nauticant · 10/06/2021 11:11

Prosecco Stormfront originated a few years back:

twitter.com/CaseyExplosion/status/1099723204539617281

It's one of those slurs that often says more about the people using it than their targets.

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2021 11:10

I don't think it just has implications for on going cases. I THINK I'm right in saying that if this is a ruling using the ECHR as a defence it potentially has implications for Scottish Law. As in if someone is done under hate crime legislation along similar lines and takes the Scottish Government to court along similar lines there is going to be an issue. You could well end up seeing a case go to the ECHR in time.

The Scottish Government would do well to take note and realise there is an issue in the making here and to preempt it.

But they won't.

NativityDreaming · 10/06/2021 11:10

This is great news! Well done to all involved in fighting this.

GNCQ · 10/06/2021 11:07

Fantastique

Does this mean Maya gets her job back???

I hope she tells her former employer to FOTTFSOFAWYGTFOSM

catgirl1976 · 10/06/2021 11:07

Amazing news. Well done Maya!

MrsBunHat · 10/06/2021 11:07

When are people going to start waking up to the fact that 'inclusivity' isn't some utopian gold standard? That there are plenty of instances in everyday life where excluding certain groups and keeping demographics separate is not only perfectly acceptable but promotes equity and fairness?

Absolutely - and also that when "inclusivity" is only for the most trendy, virtue-conferring groups, and not for women as a sex or anyone who has a different view, it's not really inclusivity is it?

Melroses · 10/06/2021 11:07

@whynotwhatknot

So i can say woman is a woman without being hung now can i

well done Maya

Yes, the censorship of language can stop. Now.
Soontobe60 · 10/06/2021 11:07

Quote from the judgement - we should all take not of this!

it is not for the Court to inquire into the validity of a belief, the Tribunal did just that, including by taking the view that the Claimant’s beliefs were not supported by scientific evidence. What it ought to have done, submits Mr Cooper, is to consider whether the Claimant’s belief was of the kind that would make Article 17, ECHR relevant. Had the Tribunal taken that approach, it could only have concluded that the belief was worthy of respect in a democratic society. Not only is it worthy of respect, but it is also one that is consistent with the common law under which sex is regarded as binary and fixed at birth for the purposes of all legal provisions which make a distinction between men and women

Thingybob · 10/06/2021 11:06

Has it already been said that JKR retweeted the Sex Matters tweet almost immediately.

PurpleWh1teGreen · 10/06/2021 11:05

Yay!

MangoSplit · 10/06/2021 11:05

Well done Maya!

whynotwhatknot · 10/06/2021 11:05

So i can say woman is a woman without being hung now can i

well done Maya

SelfPortraitWithEels · 10/06/2021 11:04

Ah, thank you Chloe and tibtom. Well, those both seem entirely reasonable. Grin

risefromyourgrave · 10/06/2021 11:04

😁👊🙌💪🏻

Abhannmor · 10/06/2021 11:04

@IShouldBeSoLurky

Just saw someone on Twitter refer to MN as “Prosecco Stormfront” which to be fair is pretty funny.
The cheek of them! Prosecco Pravda please.
Datun · 10/06/2021 11:04

It's so odd that most of the country today doesn't even realise that a woman has had to go to court to establish the fact that believing biological sex is real had to be legally established.

BewitchedBotheredandBewildered · 10/06/2021 11:04

Fantastic news!

CroydianSlip · 10/06/2021 11:04

'Be Braver today than you were yesterday'

Emosh!

MrsBunHat · 10/06/2021 11:04

Sad to hear that Lisa feels she can’t go to her graduation

Yes but it is her choice to make and I can completely see why she wouldn't want to play nice with the institution that did that to her, or even go near it. There is also a potential risk to her now it's quite high-profile.

IShouldBeSoLurky · 10/06/2021 11:04

Of course I know what Stormfront is, and deplore it. Just the frothy rage of the misogynist, and that thrush was the worst he could wish on us, made me laugh.

NotTerfNorCis · 10/06/2021 11:04

Great news! Congrats Maya.

Northernlurker · 10/06/2021 11:03

Fabulous news

Wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 10/06/2021 11:03

Sex. If a TW failed at gaining a promotion for wearing a dress to the interview (for example) that could easily be argued as sex-based discrimination because a woman would be allowed to wear a dress with impunity.

Absolutely. I can get behind this kind of protection for gender variant people.