Stonewall - do they suggest sanitary disposal bins in men's loos? If not why not?

Avocadowoman · 2021-06-08T16:29:23+00:00

I haven't read the FOI responses where Stonewall gave organisations suggestions as to how to make their workplaces more LGBT friendly. I would have thought the lack of sanitary disposal bins would be a huge barrier to transmen using male loos. Obviously they may choose not to use them for other reasons - but wouldn't it be an absolutely excellent way for an organisation to show how trans friendly they were? Has it ever been suggested?

Whythesadface · 10/06/2021 11:46

Yet again it's a case of the Emperor's New Clothes.
We are all now being made liars to appease others.
Some will be that child. Will shout and be heard.
Because you can't change sex.

CardinalLolzy · 10/06/2021 00:04

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EnfysPreseli · 09/06/2021 14:46

I think Welsh Government's Staff Toilets policy says that all toilet cubicles should have sanitary bins in them. Seems a bit of waste of money. I doubt whether they have enough transmen on the staff to warrant it. And if they're on testosterone don't their periods stop after a while.

Morred · 09/06/2021 12:40

I'd be interested to know whether a majority of transmen experience sufficient dysphoria to have stopped their periods (taking back-to-back pills, for example) and so less need for sanitary bins, etc. Obviously that doesn't work for everyone and so there would still be a need for bins in the men's toilets, but periods are (often) unpleasant enough for women, and so perhaps many transmen have stopped theirs.

PerditaCambellBlack · 09/06/2021 12:31

@ohforarainyday

Gee I'm beginning to suspect Stonewall and other TRA organisations only care about transpeople who have penises...

Ya think? 😂

Melitza · 09/06/2021 12:29

@AlfonsoTheMango yes. Even in modern restaurants!

Whythesadface · 09/06/2021 12:28

As I have done events where stonewall are involved, I know this is true.
They are all about the TWAW very little is said a out Transmen.
It's all about letting any penis owning body enter the female toilets, even if that person has a beard and only came out the day before.

AlfonsoTheMango · 09/06/2021 12:20

@Melitza

I frequently walk past urinals when using toilets in France.

And France frequently has squat toilets, which are not popular in the UK.

Melitza · 09/06/2021 11:59

I frequently walk past urinals when using toilets in France.

AlfonsoTheMango · 09/06/2021 11:56

@GNCQ

Stonewall campaigning for urinal's in the ladies so that transwomen could expose their penises to women using the ladies would create a pretty big backlash I would have thought

That's why they aren't. That's why they aren't campaigning for period bins in the men's loo either.

They're campaigning for mixed gender toilets in schools/public places, or the self ID system where everyone can pick and choose which loos.

No, they are campaigning to have women's sex-reserved spaces taken away from them.

AlfonsoTheMango · 09/06/2021 11:55

@GNCQ

Ok tell that to Stonewall

I am sure that Stonewall are aware of that but I am not sure that you are, hence my comment.

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Avocadowoman · 09/06/2021 11:53

or the self ID system where everyone can pick and choose which loos.

But the 'choice' really isn't there if only one set of loos have sanitary disposal bins.

So alongside campaigning for self-ID, they ought to campaign for sanitary disposal in 'loos which have urinals and are marked men'.

Because otherwise they are campaigning for transwomen to be able to use women's loos but not enabling transmen to use mens.

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GNCQ · 09/06/2021 11:40

Stonewall campaigning for urinal's in the ladies so that transwomen could expose their penises to women using the ladies would create a pretty big backlash I would have thought

That's why they aren't. That's why they aren't campaigning for period bins in the men's loo either.

They're campaigning for mixed gender toilets in schools/public places, or the self ID system where everyone can pick and choose which loos.

GNCQ · 09/06/2021 11:36

Avocadowoman
Males don't 'need' urinals - the lack of them would not be a barrier to them using a particular loo - they would use a cubicle

It's not the weeing men who need them (otherwise we'd all have them in our home bathroom!) It's the other people using a public loo who need men to use a standing urinal rather than loo seat system.

Splashback/dripping etc.

Please keep urinals for men if as a society we're moving towards mixed sex everything.
I'm not sitting on dry piss thank you.

AaronStampler · 09/06/2021 11:29

The men's loos at my very woke employer have both sanitary disposal bins in the cubicles and also free sanpro products by the sinks.

I assume the women's loos have the same, although I haven't checked.

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Avocadowoman · 09/06/2021 11:09

@GNCQ

But, to be fair have Stonewall ever campaigned for urinals in the women's loo?

From what I understand about Stonewall law is that they campaign for all loos to be multi gender and not segregated at all, so you end up with a system where women have to walk past a row of urinals to get to the cubicles which contain bins (and you need to shout to your friend to pass a bunch of loo roll underneath).
Hooray Stonewall law!

Males don't 'need' urinals - the lack of them would not be a barrier to them using a particular loo - they would use a cubicle. I would have thought that a transwoman using the ladies would prefer a cubicle to a urinal. Stonewall campaigning for urinal's in the ladies so that transwomen could expose their penises to women using the ladies would create a pretty big backlash I would have thought.

Females (including transmen) need cubicles and sanitary disposal facilities. So transwomen face a big barrier to 'using the facilities of their preferred gender' without sanitary bins.

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GNCQ · 09/06/2021 11:05

Ok tell that to Stonewall

AlfonsoTheMango · 09/06/2021 11:04

@GNCQ

But, to be fair have Stonewall ever campaigned for urinals in the women's loo?

From what I understand about Stonewall law is that they campaign for all loos to be multi gender and not segregated at all, so you end up with a system where women have to walk past a row of urinals to get to the cubicles which contain bins (and you need to shout to your friend to pass a bunch of loo roll underneath).
Hooray Stonewall law!

There is no such thing as "Stonewall law".

GNCQ · 09/06/2021 10:59

But, to be fair have Stonewall ever campaigned for urinals in the women's loo?

From what I understand about Stonewall law is that they campaign for all loos to be multi gender and not segregated at all, so you end up with a system where women have to walk past a row of urinals to get to the cubicles which contain bins (and you need to shout to your friend to pass a bunch of loo roll underneath).
Hooray Stonewall law!

Helleofabore · 09/06/2021 10:52

HazeyJaneII

ahhhh! That would be why then. Thanks.

ErrolTheDragon · 09/06/2021 10:44

A few years ago, I believe an Oxford college added bins to the men's loos. IIRC some of the blokes objected and trashed them.

ohforarainyday · 09/06/2021 10:40

Gee I'm beginning to suspect Stonewall and other TRA organisations only care about transpeople who have penises...

TheSockMonster · 09/06/2021 10:29

I can only comment on their position with regards to schools, but DS’s (secondary) school was encouraged to provide some gender neutral toilets which would include sanitary bins and dispensers. Unisex toilets is the other thing that was suggested, but only in the yet-to-be-built new block as it’s hard to reverse engineer existing arrangements with the correct privacy (e.g. completely self contained cubicles with wash basins).

I think Stonewall are batshit crazy and their trans agenda is the very definition of mission drift, but I don’t think this was necessarily bad advice. I know a butch lesbian who feels uncomfortable using women’s loos, so I imagine a third option might appeal to a lot of people.