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Personally, I’m fully supportive of Benjamin’s role as a spokesperson on this topic, he’s exactly the man for the job, and I can’t wait to hear more from him

Oh. Definitely. Do more Benjamin. Loving your work.

I agree Sophocles. We could say he should be promoted ASAP !! I definitely want to hear a LOT more from him and others saying the same.

Just listened

Personally, I’m fully supportive of Benjamin’s role as a spokesperson on this topic, he’s exactly the man for the job, and I can’t wait to hear more from him

I heard that this morning. What a lunatic that guy was!

There must be a transweb which sends out information telling their allies that these are the facts:

• transwomen do not pose any threats to women and children, and

• Self-id happens anyway, so it doesn't make any difference
• transwomen can represent women and that's fine
• women are fine with all of this and those who aren't are just

• transwomen are only safe in women's spaces

Is it possible to express any reservations about the goals and ambitions of trans supportive people and organisations without being “transphobic”, and if so, what would that look like?

For any social/ethical/rights issue, it ought to be possible to frame what respectful disagreement would look like. For example, I am passionately pro choice, but from what I know about the opposing position, I could outline what a respectful dissent from that position would look like (even if I ultimately obviously disagreed with it). I could do the same for equal marriage (and I have gay friends who do exactly that), and any number of other issues I can think of.

Per Benjamin’s worldview though, that’s not possible to do here. It is not possible to have questions about any of this without being branded a bigot by people like Benjamin. That’s not the sign of a reasonable position.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000wrjn

at 01:50:30

available for 29 days

(In case no-one else has put it up - am only on page 2)

Oh, I did enjoy that

Benjamin does not interview well.

Wow - Gender critical = Transphobic. Amazing to get on national radio and effectively say that women absolutely cannot discuss the impact of trans rights on women's rights without being labelled as transphobic.

That interview is the gift that keeps on giving - BC incensed that no trans people were at the table but fails to notice that, ironically, there were no women there either (unless potentially Justin was identifying as a woman today).
Thanks to the poster who reminded me to sign up to the LGB Alliance!

I saw a lot of Twitter comments that JW interrupted BC and was abrasive.

Which he wasn't at all. Just kept the discussion on track (as far as he was able with BC who didn't answer a straight question, but instead just propagandised and attempted to put the others on the spot (didn't succeed). If anything it was BC doing the interrupting (and talking over).

Benjamin Cohen is making such a tit of himself

Doing more than that - he was either lying or disastrously misinformed about Stonewall policies about:

• self-id
• getting rid of the protected characteristic 'sex' in the Equalities Act
• getting rid of single-sex spaces

I hope the LGB Alliance makes a complaint about his lies bad information.

Just caught this - laugh out loud funny.
Thank you Justin for not taking any nonsense,
Thank you Simon for distilling the discussion into key issues.

And Ben, we can't thank you enough for showing just how ridiculous your argument is. You proved the feminist point perfectly.

Re India on this morning, I've seen it before but I feel so much more able to see the smoke and mirrors.

🎻 s first of all. A full male career in the bbc reaping all the well publicised benefits of being male and earring a wage as a tv journalist. Hmm.

And the comparison of trans with a baby who's been born with a disability, framing it as "biology gone wrong" and gone wrong for that a baby? That's the intersex appropriation. Low low low blow.

The daily Mail are chortling loudly about it.

I really, really enjoyed that 8 minutes.
I am still suppressing chuckles, several minutes on. Might bookmark for future cheering up...

NancyDrawed you star, that’s EXACTLY the clip. The aforementioned Ruth Hunt spectacularly downplaying the significance of Self-ID. And Owen finding it hilarious. Please take a look at it if you haven’t seen the clip (at the time code Nancy helpfully gave). I wonder if Ruth and Simon have sat down recently to discuss this issue?

[quote EmbarrassingAdmissions]Bunbury has extensive detail on those (and other) tactics:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3438714-Bunbury-s-Public-Service-Announcement-2[/quote]
Yes Bunbury is very good on dealing with derail attempts. Maybe JW is a fan