R4 now Tuesday 7.51 am

It’s not even that, surely. Being able to distinguish between people is not the same as discrimination against them.

Ben Cohen seems to want us to pretend we can’t tell male from female. I mean, I guess it’s sometimes difficult, but usually it’s very obvious. Wish he’d acknowledge that.

More honesty is required.

I've just listened to it again. It's such a stupid argument. He doesn't understand the concept of discrimination. We discriminate all the time. Ben Cohen discriminates against half the population when it comes to his dating pool.

Women discriminate against men when it comes to sex segregated spaces.

And as Maya Forstater pointed out, we discriminate against short people when it comes to Disney rides.

He appears to think that all discrimination is wrong. When it's just the ability to distinguish between two different things.

Discriminating against men because, as a class, they constitute a risk, is perfectly bloody acceptable. And something that has been understood for centuries.

It never ceases to amaze me, the bloody cheek of all this. Stop male violence, and then we can talk. Not threaten male violence, because you're not getting your way (not directed to Cohen).

The best outcome would be for Cohen to reflect on what happened and to see how he might engage more productively in the future

Ahh, the stick the fingers in the ears technique and pretend all is right in the world.

I see.

😂

The best outcome would be for Cohen to reflect on what happened and to see how he might engage more productively in the future.

twitter.com/benjamincohen/status/1402592163947499522

Oh.

It was joyous; I smiled all day. Cohen was so aggressive, self-absorbed, inarticulate and fanatical in the face of calm and reason from Fanshawe and JW. He did his cause no favours. Happy days.

The BBC has a legal duty to be non political so presenters do have to be careful what they say in their personal tweets and that kind of thing and on the shows. However they can certainly press people hard on issues - it is part of that for which we pay our licence fee (and for me radio 4 news is a good bit of why I pay the fee (I watch no live TV)).

The BBC will be full of what was mentioned on PM yesterday - woke left and liberal left (and just about no one like I am - I have voted conservative since 1979 but since before that have been very sympathetic to trans people as I had a rush of reading library books - biographies of people like April Ashley in my teens as it is such an interesting topic - I just don't want women's rights damaged in the process).

I still read a tiny bit into it though !

Oh was she? Sorry. How disappointing.

Hang on she was reading the racing tip for Fontwell today at 2.00 - a horse called Top Man.
I agree her inflexion and delivery was interesting and Justin laughed.

And on that note, top man Justin'

It must have been so hard for thousands of BBC staff. Acts of rebellion, even tiny, are something I hope we see more of

Just caught a throwaway comment which may or may not be relevant on Wednesday's Today. At ~7:33 (+/- 2 mins) there was something about the England manager saying they shouldn't shy away from matters outside sport and then the female presenter said 'And on that note, top man Justin' as she handed over the to man, who I presume was Justin Webb. I might be reading too much into things though.

they were 1 minute late for the weather as it was. it is normally at 7.57, then time for a trailer.

the weather forecasters are excellent at adapting their forecast to fit.

ALl interviews are cut short in a similar way, especially coming up to the weather or pips.

Someone on Twatter has compared BC congratulating himself to Prince Andrew immediately after the Emily Maitliss interview, when he said he thought it went rather well.

😂😂😂

Go to 33.43

Thank you nauticant

I was so pleased to be at that Baroness Nicholson webinar and knew some of the names from on here, SSA, Katie Alcock and more. Felt part of things!

Thanks for the link shedbuilder I've signed up too.

Just saw this on Twitter :

Just had a text from my vicar asking me to explain what’s going on with Stonewall. Where to start… 🤦‍♀️ 😂

twitter.com/SwearyGodmother/status/1402329582406189057

Go to 33.43.

A few posters have mentioned it but I haven't a clue what it is - is there a link?

Sorry, I don't know the time of the segment.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000wrkw

Mollyollydolly and MissLucyeylesbarrow.

Couldn't agree more. JOB is a total prat, who sends people kicking and screaming to vote Brexit! Wish they hadn't!