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Erikrie · 08/06/2021 11:03

It was a thing of beauty! Ben Cohen should do be the voice of the pro-trans side in every interview - we'd have this all sown up within a week!

Absolutely.

CaveMum · 08/06/2021 11:00

It was a thing of beauty! Ben Cohen should do be the voice of the pro-trans side in every interview - we'd have this all sown up within a week!

pitterpatterrain · 08/06/2021 10:59

Agree Critical Condition felt very “what I want Stonewall to be saying ...” not what they have actually written down

Chrysanthemum5 · 08/06/2021 10:59

@deleteasappropriate 'transsexual' is the term in the equality act so Justin was correct to use it. It's just TRAs don't like the term so they try to avoid it

pitterpatterrain · 08/06/2021 10:58

Wow. Just re-listened.

Gosh.

jhuizinga · 08/06/2021 10:54

Just listened on catch-up. Cor blimey! BC came across as so aggressive to the point of being quite unhinged. SF, in contrast, was calm, coherent and rational. It makes it very clear why No Debate was thought to be the best (only?) option.

CriticalCondition · 08/06/2021 10:54

How does BC think he can get away with denying what is on Stonewall's website, right now, in black and white?

JustSpeculation · 08/06/2021 10:51

I found BC very difficult to listen to. I have a very low threshold for vicarious embarrassment.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/06/2021 10:51

I love that Stonewall is trending as "entertainment"

AntiSocialDistancer · 08/06/2021 10:48

They started doing that in the hope that the BBC would cancel the piece rather than go ahead with only presenting one side. This seemed to work for a while. The BBC now seem to make more effort to find someone to put forward the TRA side rather than cancel. On Newsnight once a couple of years ago the only person they seemed to be able to find for this was Aimee Challenor.

Brilliant

MarkRuffaloCrumble · 08/06/2021 10:48

Succinct.

Glorious!

AntiSocialDistancer · 08/06/2021 10:47

@Letsgetreadytocrumble

The thing is, prominent trans people like. Paris Lees are always talking about how they turn down interviews because 'I'm not prepared to debate my existence', but then everyone moans that there are no trans people in these sorts of interviews.

Paris Lees did a pretty car crash long form interview with Nick Robinson, who is also a Today presenter.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/03/01/paris-lees-my-interview-with-nick-robinson-highlights-everything-wrong-with-debate-about-trans-people/

The interview was here (42 mins long)
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05xp3z2

IvyTwines2 · 08/06/2021 10:47

@littlbrowndog

Cohen could off given up his place to a trans person surely to be interviewed as he was moaning that there was no trans person on

Yes, as a Pink News person surely he has lots of names in his phone book he could have suggested instead, if he's so troubled by it?

Lottapianos · 08/06/2021 10:47

'Benjamin has apologised for assuming Justin's gender identity'

Yeah, and had his ass handed to him in the replies. Person after person writing some version of 'mate, you fucked up totally. Own it, for the love of god!'

Erikrie · 08/06/2021 10:45

Benjamin has apologised for assuming Justin's gender identity

😂 Okaaay then.

Mummyoflittledragon · 08/06/2021 10:45

Wow. I’m happily and mightily surprised by the BBC for shining a small light on this matter.

I felt there was a missed opportunity to rebuff BC when he went off on a rant about his protected characteristics asking which one is the most important. IE ‘We are talking here about women as a sex class. Therefore does he consider SEX to be a protected characteristic equal to his 3 characteristics?’ And if ye agrees they are, why is he so opposed to GC views.

OldCrone · 08/06/2021 10:44

@Letsgetreadytocrumble

The thing is, prominent trans people like. Paris Lees are always talking about how they turn down interviews because 'I'm not prepared to debate my existence', but then everyone moans that there are no trans people in these sorts of interviews.

They started doing that in the hope that the BBC would cancel the piece rather than go ahead with only presenting one side. This seemed to work for a while. The BBC now seem to make more effort to find someone to put forward the TRA side rather than cancel. On Newsnight once a couple of years ago the only person they seemed to be able to find for this was Aimee Challenor.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 08/06/2021 10:44

There are a lot of upset peeps on Twatter - worrashame, eh?

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 08/06/2021 10:43

I was driving listening to that but absolutely loved it. Well done Justin.

Is there scope to complain about BC’s open lies about Stonewall not campaigning for an end to single sex spaces?

talesofginza · 08/06/2021 10:43

I look forward to many more satisfying moments like this. Leeeet the sunshine in, leeeeet the sunshine in!

PearPickingPorky · 08/06/2021 10:42

@WarriorN

Benjamin has apologised for assuming Justin's gender identity

littlbrowndog · 08/06/2021 10:39

Cohen could off given up his place to a trans person surely to be interviewed as he was moaning that there was no trans person on

FricasseeTurnips · 08/06/2021 10:38

BC was clearly lying about what Stonewall is campaigning for, and indeed what Nancy Kelley said.

Justin's huffs and sighs were beautiful

Although I was shocked R4 could get away with 3 men discussing a women's rights issue without actually talking about women - nor being one, obviously - perhaps that is what it needs for more people to listen. Silly hysterical wimmin banging on vs men actually taking notice.

WotgunShedding · 08/06/2021 10:37

The wonderful Karen Ingala Smith has transcribed some of the interview!

kareningalasmith.com/2021/06/08/truth-lies-and-storytelling/

zanahoria · 08/06/2021 10:36

Ben obviously in a cozy little world surrounded by sycophants and fellow travellers, getting paid handsomely by his corporate backed website to pump out propaganda that is never fact checked,

He has simply been blinded by the cold light of day.