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Cailleach1 · 08/06/2021 11:25

Can't fathom the remarks shouldn't have presumed JW's 'gender identity'. Maybe JW isn't a believer in 'gender identity', so hasn't adopted one. It is like you if you are not RC, you must be Anglican. Em, no.

BC should have said that he apologised for presuming that other people believe in this 'gender identity' ideology at all and thus tar them as being 'Cis Gender'.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/06/2021 11:25

@nauticant

That's why I think Justin Webb will be spoken to by a senior BBC bod BlackeyedSusan.

I took it that Susan was saying BC was way off the norm for an interviewee on the Today Programme, not that JW was carrying out the interview in a different way. I don't normally listen to the TP these days, so rarely hear the big political interviews, but I've heard many, many politicians over the years absolutely put through the wringer on the BBC. Eddie Mair saying to Boris Johnson 'You're a nasty piece of work, aren't you? was a highlight.

GCAcademic · 08/06/2021 11:24

@WarriorN

Women pointing out what stonewall actually said are transphobic trolls apparently says BC.

The TRA dictionary:

Hostility - women saying no
Trolling - providing facts
Transphobic - everything other than what I want

SchadenfreudePersonified · 08/06/2021 11:22

Thank you, too Lolzy

SchadenfreudePersonified · 08/06/2021 11:21

@nauticant

It really is well worth listening to. The link is:

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000wrjn

but it won't be available till after 9am. Maybe try half 9 or 10. As the title above says, 7.51am so 1 hours 51 minutes in.

Oh yoyu have posted a link.

Thank you nauticant

Much obliged.

CaveMum · 08/06/2021 11:21

Justin Webb has retweeted James Kirkup’s thread that points out Stonewall’s explicit intentions.

twitter.com/justinonweb/status/1402183958859812865?s=21

CardinalLolzy · 08/06/2021 11:19

LINK IS HERE
About 1hr 50 mins in.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000wrjn

Cailleach1 · 08/06/2021 11:18

Mainstream (and reality) definition of woman is as a particular sex. Men are the other sex in humans. This is not a fringe representation of reality to be usurped by a non-scientific philosophical view.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 08/06/2021 11:18

@CuriousaboutSamphire

I'm only commenting so I remember to listen to it later 😀

So am I - I tried to find the programme but couldn't. Maybe someone will post a link

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littlbrowndog · 08/06/2021 11:16

Safeguarding say it again safeguarding

viques · 08/06/2021 11:15

I looked BC up on wiki out of curiosity because he sounded so immature and disorganised in his thinking. I can ‘t believe he is 38.

Cailleach1 · 08/06/2021 11:14

BC also claiming that JW was 'angry'. JW wasn't angry at all. Just not allowing BC to rant away and take cheap pot shots.

Maybe not allowing BC to do anything he (or however they identify) wants, no matter how peevish is being hostile.

It is almost as if the truth is hostile. And they think nobody can see reality.

nauticant · 08/06/2021 11:11

That's why I think Justin Webb will be spoken to by a senior BBC bod BlackeyedSusan.

CardinalLolzy · 08/06/2021 11:10

@smallspeckbigcloud

I presume BC can say Stonewall aren't trying to stop refuges from being women only spaces with all 'honesty' as he believes transwomen are women. That's the problem with taking long established and meaningful definitions from words. You can't communicate anymore.

iirc JW was talking about 'single-sex' spaces and the exemptions fairly clearly but at the last point when BC denied it, JW did use the term 'women-only' or something similar, so perhaps on a very disingenuous technicality that specific answer to that specific question could have been interpreted as correct.

BlackeyedSusan · 08/06/2021 11:09

anyone who listens to Today on radio four knows there is a style of interview. bens was not it. so far from it it was on a different continent. did not follow any of the social norms for such interviews.

other listeners would spot it too.

nauticant · 08/06/2021 11:08

Radio and people's voices can be particularly "unfair" in that respect EsmaCannonball .

CardinalLolzy · 08/06/2021 11:08

@EsmaCannonball

I don't mean this to be cruel, but I think a lot of trans people turn down media requests because they've learned that once people see the person making the argument then they begin to lose the argument.

Well that's awful for them. However, this was a radio interview!

viques · 08/06/2021 11:07

I suppose it didn’t occur to Benjamin Cohen to ask who the other guests invited to speak were, because if so, he could have politely declined the invitation and suggested a whole tranche of trans people. , sorry I mean transwomen of course, who would be willing to take his place in the discussion so that the trans voice would be represented.

But it didn’t, so he didn’t.

smallspeckbigcloud · 08/06/2021 11:07

I presume BC can say Stonewall aren't trying to stop refuges from being women only spaces with all 'honesty' as he believes transwomen are women. That's the problem with taking long established and meaningful definitions from words. You can't communicate anymore.

EsmaCannonball · 08/06/2021 11:06

I don't mean this to be cruel, but I think a lot of trans people turn down media requests because they've learned that once people see the person making the argument then they begin to lose the argument.

nauticant · 08/06/2021 11:05

twitter.com/cristo_radio/status/1402186928225665024

However, perhaps Cristo Foufas is a bad person in which case you shouldn't read the tweet.

WarriorN · 08/06/2021 11:05

Women pointing out what stonewall actually said are transphobic trolls apparently says BC.

CardinalLolzy · 08/06/2021 11:04

Oh no, I hope this doesn't lead to a deluge of people helpfully pointing out exactly what Stonewall is explicitly campaigning for.

Cailleach1 · 08/06/2021 11:03

Remarkable. Usually when a person is found out in their lies, they have to own up.

The BC chappie (or whatever preferred moniker) roughly saying on twitter that he had to defend accusations of things Stonewall had said. And how they didn't say them.

Well, NK did compare gc views to anti-semitic views. In black and white.

Also, Stonewall have/had as their agenda to remove rights to single sex spaces. In black and white.

If someone can't even tell the truth when something is written down for all to unambiguously see, you wouldn't trust anything else they say at all. You'd double check if it was true.