An alternative list of places to buy from (not Stonewall champions)

PerditaCambellBlack · 2021-06-07T08:50:19+00:00

If there’s already a thread please let me know. I’m looking for alternatives to Ocado, Waitrose and John Lewis. Sainsbury’s have drunk the koolaid - is there a grocer who hasn’t?

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PerditaCambellBlack · 11/06/2021 17:10

I’ve been sent a survey asking about my experience of contacting JL customer service. I’ve answered every “what could we do better?” Question with “leave Stonewall”

I’m faking my money elsewhere

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Pudmyboy · 11/06/2021 16:41

Oh not Waitrose! Don't shop there often but love it, what a blow!
Though my finances will benefit...
I wonder if the recent articles about Stonewall will percolate through to these places anytime soon?

CatsInTheirHats · 08/06/2021 00:17

I am also looking for alternatives as the bloody Waitrose app auto updated to show the full rainbow trans-pride flag the other day and it just feels like a punch in the guts. I cancelled 2 shops and deleted the app I was so furious.

Oops. Just seen star mentioned the WR app too. It’s interesting how many companies aren’t showing much if anything on their front pages this year, yet bastarding WR/JL have doubled down. I have some vouchers too 😢

Sadly Abel & Cole have swallowed the kool aid too, though only just last year it seems. No obvious pride flags on the website but I realised when I saw an amount from strawberry sales is going to Gendered Intelligence and then looked at their blog. I am gutted.

We shop organically for ethical reasons but on a tight budget. Have to have home delivery or I’d go to a farm shop. Going to be light on greens this pride month.

FindTheTruth · 07/06/2021 20:21

WarOnWoman · 07/06/2021 20:17

*shop for clothes for teenage kids!

WarOnWoman · 07/06/2021 20:17

Any ideas of where to shop for teenage kids? Boys and girls. I used to shop at M&S but not any more. They have no interest in clothes and prefer joggers and/or super casual wear.

HermioneWeasley · 07/06/2021 19:22

Oh Tesco are definitely signed up

SpindleWhorl · 07/06/2021 19:20

@PerditaCambellBlack

Here’s JL bullshit reply

“Thanks for your email.

Equality is a founding principle of the John Lewis Partnership, which was formed almost 100 years ago. We regularly review our participation in schemes run by various external organisations to make sure they continue to align with the values of the John Lewis Partnership and support the aims of our five-year Partnership Plan.

Stonewall is no different. Our priority has always been and always will be to ensure all of our Partners and customers feel safe and secure working and shopping with us. We also have our own policies and procedures in place to ensure this.

Thanks again for writing to us. Take care, and have a pleasant evening.

Kind regards,

Iain Stewart
Partner & Director Relations Case Manager
John Lewis & Partners”

This is the Waitrose reply from the other thread ('Ofsted have left Stonewall):

“Thanks for taking the time to get in touch.

We regularly review our participation in schemes run by various external organisations to make sure they continue to align with the values of the John Lewis Partnership and support the aims of our five-year Partnership Plan.

Stonewall would be no different. Our priority has always been and always will be to ensure all of our Partners and customers feel safe and secure working and shopping with us. We also have our own policies and procedures in place to ensure this.

Thanks again for your email."

StarintheMorning · 07/06/2021 19:09

There is something Pride related on the ASDA site, but you have to hunt to find it. Waitrose is really pushing it this year, even the app on my phone has changed colour. I think it took until they changed colours for Christmas last year for all of their branding to go back to green! Can’t see anything on Morrison’s or Tesco.

teawamutu · 07/06/2021 18:34

@PerditaCambellBlack

Here’s JL bullshit reply

“Thanks for your email.

Equality is a founding principle of the John Lewis Partnership, which was formed almost 100 years ago. We regularly review our participation in schemes run by various external organisations to make sure they continue to align with the values of the John Lewis Partnership and support the aims of our five-year Partnership Plan.

Stonewall is no different. Our priority has always been and always will be to ensure all of our Partners and customers feel safe and secure working and shopping with us. We also have our own policies and procedures in place to ensure this.

Thanks again for writing to us. Take care, and have a pleasant evening.

Kind regards,

Iain Stewart
Partner & Director Relations Case Manager
John Lewis & Partners”

To quote Catherine Tate's Nan: wot a load of old shit.

What about all the women who don't feel safe in changing rooms where males are admitted? Or women of faith who simply can't use them?

EHRC guidance on no hierarchy of PCs really embedded here

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PerditaCambellBlack · 07/06/2021 18:30

That sounds believable

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Iliketherainbest · 07/06/2021 18:29

I think I read somewhere that around 93% of household expenditure was controlled by women aged 40 to 60. Not sure if that is true, but it seems nonetheless that women have a lot of pocket power they are not using. I wonder if there is a good way to leverage it.

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PerditaCambellBlack · 07/06/2021 18:09

Here’s JL bullshit reply

“Thanks for your email.

Equality is a founding principle of the John Lewis Partnership, which was formed almost 100 years ago. We regularly review our participation in schemes run by various external organisations to make sure they continue to align with the values of the John Lewis Partnership and support the aims of our five-year Partnership Plan.

Stonewall is no different. Our priority has always been and always will be to ensure all of our Partners and customers feel safe and secure working and shopping with us. We also have our own policies and procedures in place to ensure this.

Thanks again for writing to us. Take care, and have a pleasant evening.

Kind regards,

Iain Stewart
Partner & Director Relations Case Manager
John Lewis & Partners”

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GeorgiaMcGraw · 07/06/2021 17:07

Probably smaller, local businesses. I use Booths in the northwest of England. If they ever go woke I'll pelt cabbages at head office 😂

teawamutu · 07/06/2021 16:59

No idea if whoever makes Always is on the list or not, but just saw a TV advert which mentions women

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PerditaCambellBlack · 07/06/2021 14:20

@Tanith

You know that Ocado is nothing to do with John Lewis? You’d need to ask them separately what they’re doing about Stonewall Championship.

I do know yes, Ocado are Stonewall champions though

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Glenthebattleostrich · 07/06/2021 12:28

I use Morrisons, I emailed them to check. Aldi I think are ok and I use local businesses as much as I can.

HermioneWeasley · 07/06/2021 12:25

Morrisons aren’t on it, which is good because they’re my local.

Asda might not be on it, but last year paid Diversity Role Models £100k to produce a kit for primary aged kids which included the PIE slogan “love has no age” and referred to a book which glamorised child sexual abuse. They also do pronoun badges and are completely woke so I don’t shop there (no hardship as their food is also shit)

SpindleWhorl · 07/06/2021 12:19

And Asda aren't on it - I wonder if they left between 2017 and 2021?

teawamutu · 07/06/2021 11:40

Aldi and Lidl don't seem to be there.

ChristinaXYZ · 07/06/2021 11:31

I've just checked on Sex Matters' list and Ocado are there. sex-matters.org/stonewall-champions-list/

I'm cutting my shopping with them down to once every 4 to 6 weeks for tins, loo roll and cleaning stuff. I've started using small local shops for meat and bread and the market and a farm shop that delivers for veg etc. We have a milk man anyway.

Tanith · 07/06/2021 10:53

That’s from 1st June, though. “A week is a long time in politics!”

I wonder if they’ll change their vans back now, or if “Jesus in a Cabbage” is truly a thing of the past?

ChristinaXYZ · 07/06/2021 10:47

@Tanith

You know that Ocado is nothing to do with John Lewis? You’d need to ask them separately what they’re doing about Stonewall Championship.

twitter.com/OcadoGroup/status/1399636149350588417 though I have no idea whether they are Stonewall Champions.