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Stonewall facing ‘exodus’ from scheme as ministers lose faith

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PandorasMailbox · 07/06/2021 01:12

From today's Times

"The Ministry of Justice is preparing to leave Stonewall’s diversity scheme leading to an “exodus” of government departments severing ties with the charity, sources suggest"

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bf1455cc-c6f1-11eb-b6f5-fed739e7c1ca?shareToken=9086531317b8e273ea11d2a00ce10dc1

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RoyalCorgi · 07/06/2021 08:23

Glad Libby Purvis is speaking out about the erasure of women's language. Is this her first venture in GC commentary? What's been stopping her using her considerable platform until now? Wasn't the JKR witch hunt enough for her, Maya's case, all the other sacrificial lambs?

I think it is the first time she's written about this. It's interesting, isn't it? I assume she wasn't brave enough to tackle JKR etc but now that lots of people are speaking out, she feels she can too.

Plus, it's really interesting, as with the Sarah Vine article, that the issue that seems to infuriate people more than any other is not rapists being put in women's prisons or men taking part in women's sport but the erasure of the words "mother" and "women". Words and their meanings seem to affect people in a particularly profound way.

IheartJKR · 07/06/2021 08:02

@SpindleWhorl

Owen Jones is an irrelevance now.

He used to be OK, a fresh voice, but these last few years he's morphed into a hackneyed and tedious twitter bore while the debate on human rights has moved on beyond his intellectual and political reach.

In that sense, he's not that different from Laurence Fox.

Spot on
ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 07/06/2021 07:59

@ScreamingMeMe

I hadn't realiser Gendered Intelligence was instrumental in this.
TRAs captured everything else, why not Stonewall too...
TedImgoingmad · 07/06/2021 07:55

Thanks for the links. Glad Libby Purvis is speaking out about the erasure of women's language. Is this her first venture in GC commentary? What's been stopping her using her considerable platform until now? Wasn't the JKR witch hunt enough for her, Maya's case, all the other sacrificial lambs?

Anyone know if James O'Brien has had his road to Damascus moment yet? He likes to be on the right side of history at all times. Can't stand OJ, but at least you know where you stand with that one.

ScreamingMeMe · 07/06/2021 07:42

I hadn't realiser Gendered Intelligence was instrumental in this.

PandorasMailbox · 07/06/2021 07:35

"Gendered Intelligence is made up of a host of highly skilled freelance workers who are facilitators, practitioners, youth workers, mentors, writers, researchers, trainers, educators, artists and designers, cultural commentator, social media-ites and all round talented folk. The team at GI is growing and no doubt will grow more over the coming years"

I wouldn't bet your house on that....

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 07/06/2021 06:53

Good rss me Gendered Intelligence have grown so much they’ve become a charity (registered 2019) with an income in excess of £800,000

genderedintelligence.co.uk/about-us/the-team.html

Igneococcus · 07/06/2021 06:39

There is also this opinion piece by Libby Purves:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/6032a216-c705-11eb-b6f5-fed739e7c1ca?shareToken=a132a2e1cacee6fabca6be415421b629

FindTheTruth · 07/06/2021 06:29

Stonewall changed from a charity to an ideological political / religious movement when the staff were 'trained' by Gendered intelligence in 2015, hired heterosexual misogynists, didn't consult LGB, refused to listen to dissent, rolled out GI law, said #nodebate, refused dialogue even with founders of Stonewall, stayed silent as gender non conforming kids were encouraged to believe they were born in the wrong body, said it was kind as pre-gay and pre-lesbian children were medicalised and all the while claiming to represent the single view of lesbian, gay and trans people, or the ‘community.’

FindTheTruth · 07/06/2021 06:12

from the article:

Fanshawe, 64, who won the Perrier comedy award at Edinburgh in 1989, said: “Instead of debating views, Stonewall tries to delegitimise the person who is speaking. There needs to be a debate about trans issues but if you question things like should trans women be allowed to compete in female sport then the charity labels you a transphobe.

“The point about being in an organisation is you take a group of disparate people and find a way of agreeing a common objective, not dividing them further.”

Thanks for the share OP

PandorasMailbox · 07/06/2021 06:01

He's currently blocking all and sundry who disagree with him instead of engaging with them. Most are making excellent points about Stonewall's anti-woman stance and its corporate protection racket.

He's yet another high-profile person who knows his bread's buttered on the wrong side but also realises it's way too late for him to back down.

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SpindleWhorl · 07/06/2021 03:49

Owen Jones is an irrelevance now.

He used to be OK, a fresh voice, but these last few years he's morphed into a hackneyed and tedious twitter bore while the debate on human rights has moved on beyond his intellectual and political reach.

In that sense, he's not that different from Laurence Fox.

LibertyMole · 07/06/2021 03:35

‘I still can’t quite believe what is happening. All while Owen Jones rants on Twitter about how history will judge us harshly, as if he’s some all-knowing oracle.’

Yes! In his mind he is Kassandra predicting the fall of Troy.

vbhafjlb · 07/06/2021 01:59

Agreed.

It’s like a huge blind spot he has.

Wonder how many of the gay men TRAs who are so invested in this fight weren’t old enough to campaign/march against things like section 28 and see this as their chance to be part of the revolution they missed out on.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 07/06/2021 01:48

If OJ would stop ranting, take a breath, listen and engage in a respectful dialogue then he might discover that there's a substantial Venn diagram in which we agree on the sanctity of human rights which is why we want to preserve them for women and not have them weakened or given away.

vbhafjlb · 07/06/2021 01:22

I still can’t quite believe what is happening. All while Owen Jones rants on Twitter about how history will judge us harshly, as if he’s some all-knowing oracle.