If you avoid the feminist section then at least read this article

I don’t think it’s me who’s struggling here.

I don’t know any organisations or people who have changed the language they use.

You may not realise it, but you almost definitely do.

Stonewall is losing supporters to the lgb Alliance. If they lose supporters then they lose funding.

They just haven’t realised it yet

Any examples?

Yes, the Act that we were literally just discussing. There was pushback and the language was changed.

I've also provided evidence of the Stella Creasy video and noted that one of the main speakers consistently refers to 'pregnant people' throughout.

Other posters have also provided examples from their own experience, while the article that is the subject of this thread is to do with the advice about gender neutral language that Stonewall was giving to organisations.

Do try to keep up.

Birthing parent will always always be a women

They will not be a woman with a penis

They may not refer to themselves as mother but they will be a woman not a birthing person

I don’t know any organisations or people who have changed the language they use.

I was told in a training session for doing annual reviews at work that I should avoid using terms like:
Man
Woman
Mother
Father
Son
Daughter

(Missing the point entirely: isn’t she married to the toad that is Michael Gove?)

For heaven’s sake for every other thread on AIBU there is a dedicated topic where it could have gone.

The crappy DH threads could go in Relationships.

The difficult teen threads could go in Teenagers.

The many, many covid/vaccine threads could go in Coronavirus.

I don’t frequent any of those boards but that doesn’t mean I moan when threads about those things are posted in AIBU.

What does it matter if the small number of people giving birth want to be called that and not mothers? You will still be called mothers. I do not see the big deal.

In real life women who give birth will still be mothers. Their children will still call them mum.

In private life yes @CounsellorTroi of course that’s still going to be the case.

But this is about the public recognition of something very specific to women being erased in the name of “inclusivity.” It’s the writing out of women from public life and law which angers me.

Women have barely had the recognition of our bodies in a world organised around male bodies and masculine life patterns.

Now - under the guise of being inclusive - women are being deliberately excluded again.

What a ridiculous comparison

There are many threads in AIBU about the trans debate and feminist issues

Yeah, I did think that on first reading the title.
"If you avoid the feminist section here's a feminist section article for you"

Women's rights are not simply a feminist issue. And on a site where an overwhelming percentage are women, it is appropriate to post issues about women in other sections.

Spectacularly missing the point Pumper - there should NEVER have been any need for Johann Lamont to put down that amendment.

Her words: "If members do not agree that women survivors of violence and rape should be able to ask for a women's examiner then say so and we will have that debate."

Perhaps you would like to peruse twitter for the nasty reactions against this amendment some from MSP's and the cries of transphobia used about it.

The words women, mother and pregnant women have distinct meanings failing to use them as the default or not using them as the first words in any discourse relating to female biology and biological and reproductive functions purely to assuage feelings of those who dislike them or to gain points on a Diversity Index is ludicrous and dangerous nonsense.

For those who say I'll always be a mum whatever anyone else says so I don't mind, why is this not the approach taken by those who wish to call themselves a birthing parent?

Imagine you're struggling TTC and block the related boards, only to have someone posting in AIBU and other non-related chats with 'if you don't read the pregnancy board, just want to let you know IM PREGNANT!!!'

Stick to your echo chamber

YABU for posting it here. I avoid the feminist section for a reason

There is an option to hide the thread or scroll on. I don't respond on the threads that don't interest me. It's quite easy not to do so. ☺️

Lesbians are still mothers and gay men are still fathers

How does taking out the use of mother and father make it more inclusive lesbians and gay men

I avoid the feminist section for a reason

Yeah, I did think that on first reading the title.
"If you avoid the feminist section here's a feminist section article for you"
Um... as in I know you avoid it but I'll stick it in your face anyway lol
Kind of feels like those preachers on street squares shouting about God or whatever and trying to shove a leaflet in your hand as you pass - this must be the online version

I'm a mother but my kids are adopted so I'm not a parent who has given birth.
What does stonewall want me to be called

Well why not just avoid this thread then Moly

The title made it clear it’s a feminist discussion

I just checked my workplace maternity policy and there is no mention of the words ‘woman’ or ‘mother’ anywhere. It is still called maternity leave because of the law, but now to score higher on the Stonewall Index, it only refers to ‘birth parent’ or ‘primary adoptive parent’.

Thinking about it out loud here, but surely that's a good thing and more inclusive towards gay and lesbian parents too?
Not just trans people.