If you avoid the feminist section then at least read this article

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OP is actively trying to avoid the topic they know where there post should go.

They've purposely used AIBU to garner more attention and responses for something that already has its own topic

All permanent and fixed term appointment employees who have completed at least 26 weeks’ continuous service with the Welsh Government, are eligible to apply for 39 weeks’ statutory maternity or adoption pay

Whatallemployees????? Surely not, only one sex class of employee can or will get pregnant.

I think the key thing there is that it also mentions adoption pay, in the same sentence. People of both sex classes can adopt.

Why can’t it be named? Why can’t it be male violence if it’s committed by a trans woman?

Crimes by transwomen have been recorded as women's crimes.

This is from the Fair Play for Women website

Female sex offenders: it starts with the police

In 2018 Fair Play For Women discovered through Freedom of Information requests to all 43 separate police forces in England and Wales that many were recording perpetrators by their self-declared gender identity, and not by their sex. This was the case whether or not they had a Gender Recognition Certificate.

The Crown Prosecution Service also expects its prosecutors to refer to defendants by their self-identified gender instead of birth or legal sex, whether or not they have a GRC. So the charges may refer to a woman, even if that person is legally male. Its guidance on transgender issues appears to have been developed in consultation with numerous trans activist groups but no women’s groups.

Why does it matter you ask? Because it is a policy to protect women who become mothers from discrimination and yet women and mothers don't merit a mention.

Please put your views into the correct topic

It can’t be named ‘male violence’ as TWAW. And in order to earn Stonewall points, most police forces only record stated gender - without question.

gov.wales/sites/default/files/publications/2021-03/atisn14848doc56.pdf

I do not know whether this link will work but this is the one I found as the first hit on google.

Here are some highlights for you:

All permanent and fixed term appointment employees who have completed at least 26 weeks’ continuous service with the Welsh Government, are eligible to apply for 39 weeks’ statutory maternity or adoption pay

What all employees????? Surely not, only one sex class of employee can or will get pregnant.

I made a mistake father is mentioned twice once here:

If you are a permanent employee (including fixed term appointments) who is the expectant father or the spouse or partner in an enduring relationship (including same sex marriage and civil partnership) of someone who is having a baby

and the second time here

Supporting Parents of Ill or Premature Babies

Employees who are fathers / partners may also need support and flexibility to allow them to take time off to help their family at this difficult time

Can't even bring themselves to mention mothers there, nice.

All reasonable steps will be taken to provide a healthy and safe environment for nursing employees to express milk.

There you go nursing employees lovely.

The Guardian article is much better IMO.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/06/stonewall-risks-all-it-has-fought-for-in-accusing-those-who-disagree-with-it-of-hate-speech

Extract: Through its Diversity Champions scheme, in which 850 organisations, including many public bodies, pay it to accredit their diversity policies, Stonewall has the power to frighten gender-critical women into silence for fear of being wrongly accused of hate speech. Despite its role advising organisations on equalities law, it misrepresents it, stating that trans people have the right to access single-sex spaces in line with their chosen gender (there are in fact important exclusions). The University of Essex replicated this error in its policy, reviewed annually by Stonewall, saying that to deny them this amounts to harassment, with real-world consequences: two female academics were unlawfully discriminated against by the university for their gender-critical views, while students who circulated violent threats against them went undisciplined. Stonewall is also being sued by a black lesbian barrister, Allison Bailey, for employment discrimination based on her gender-critical views. Other views that Stonewall appears to regard as hateful include the belief that there should be restrictions on biological males competing in women’s sports, that lesbians can define their attraction as same-sex, not same-gender, and the high court’s view that children cannot meaningfully consent to taking puberty blockers.

Here's this list of 'Stonewall Diversity Champions' - sex-matters.org/stonewall-champions-list/

It's great that some organisations are starting to wise up, but this list is huge and includes many government departments and powerful public bodies.

This is institutional and policy capture on a vast scale.

Even with the risk profiling of offenders,the MoJ policy is that high-risk transwomen should socialise with other women and that prison authorities should work to encourage good relations between them and natal women.

Half of ‘trans’ prisoners are sex offenders.

I am not sure what the authorities are thinking of when they want to encourage sex offenders to socialise with women. It is equivalent to letting foxes in with chickens as ‘inclusion’ triumphs over safeguarding.

Why can’t it be named? Why can’t it be male violence if it’s committed by a trans woman?

I think we’re going to have to agree to disagree that privileged women have no skin in the game wrt prisons. It’s not true.

I found the Welsh maternity policy document. My phone doesn't like linking pdf docs but if you go to Google and type in:

'Welsh maternity policy 29 April' it came up for me as the first result. It's from 2019.

It mentions 'father/partner' but I could not see the word 'mother' or 'woman' mentioned once. (I admit to skim reading.)

Sorry I can't provide a direct link but perhaps someone with a more helpful phone can?

That’s irrelevant too though, if you think the pay gap exists because of maternity leave. Loads of women don’t have children and still suffer from the GPG.

If you believe that maternity leave and career gaps for child care do not contribute to the sex pay gap then you have your head in the sand. There are other sex based reasons for the pay gap but gaps in employment are a significant issue for mothers.

Regarding sexual assault if the sex of the perpetrator is not known or the fact that it is male violence is watered down then how can organisations organise to try to combat male violence? If it can't be named it can't be addressed.

I said that privileged women don't tend to end up in prison, I didn't say that privileged women never end up in prison. I stand by the rest of the point that if this was something that affected privileged women they would be up in arms about it. As it doesn't it's easy to ignore the impact in favour of trans ideology.

and that document you linked Pumper states it has helpfully removed the term breastfeeding and replaced it with 'nursing'. Babies who are breast fed are breast fed not chest fed, the term nursing employees is reminiscent of wet nurses.

How long before this language is rolled out beyond policies for employees of the Welsh Government and into other institutions, companies and services?

This is a very good point, of course, privileged women don't tend to end up in prison so it probably doesn't worry them too much.

I don’t understand the point you’re making here - privileged women do end up in prison but regardless, I don’t see why that means they shouldn’t care who they share a cell with.

Also consider the impact on crime stats, suddenly there is a massive increase in the number of 'women' who are committing sexual assault.

Yes, absolutely. An important point -sexual assault in particular. Although again, I’m not sure what difference it makes in reality, don’t the ONS refuse to group by profiling of the perpetrators?

Regarding Employment if employers look at a 'gender' pay gap rather than a sex one then the margins will be slimmer as transwomen will have benefits from the privilege of their sex in terms of their salary and they are not at risk of needing maternity leave and career breaks as the kind of women who can give birth! Who does that benefit I wonder?

That’s irrelevant too though, if you think the pay gap exists because of maternity leave. Loads of women don’t have children and still suffer from the GPG.

I'm really confused RedDog, I'm desperately trying to find this document you speak of, but all the ones I'm finding from the Welsh Gov include the word 'mother'. Could you please link to the one you're talking about?

Also consider the impact on crime stats, suddenly there is a massive increase in the number of 'women' who are committing sexual assault.

Regarding Employment if employers look at a 'gender' pay gap rather than a sex one then the margins will be slimmer as transwomen will have benefits from the privilege of their sex in terms of their salary and they are not at risk of needing maternity leave and career breaks as the kind of women who can give birth! Who does that benefit I wonder?

Sorry I am crap at linking, google maternity and adoption leave policy wales and it should come up.

I accept you don't care and find it all very happy-clappy inclusive Pumper, however, I find it offensive and ridiculous that a document about Maternity Policy fails to mention women or mothers once but does manage to sneak father in there. Only one sex class can become pregnant, only one sex class gives birth, that sex class is female aka women this policy is supposedly for them but daren't speak their name.

Pumper - do prisons concern you at all? Most police forces treat suspects by their gender identity not biological sex. This gives a huge incentive for predatory sex offenders to declare themselves as women and then be housed in women’s prison.

This magical act of self-declaration does not change their body, their genitals - they are taller and stronger than women. And still have the same predatory sex drive.

I’d rather share a prison cell with Rose West than Karen White. I could fight Rose off, but not ‘Karen’.