I feel disheartened and isolated in my views

OP you're not rambling...you're just expressing a thought process that many of us here have been through.

It's natural to doubt yourself - frankly I think it's a good thing.

The biggest distinction between most TRA's and GC Feminists (aside from ideology) is the fact that the former never question or doubt whilst the latter do.

Sealing yourself into an echo chamber doesn't work.

It's only by listening and finessing a position based on feedback that makes it strong.

Bloody hell. I disagree with you completely on the subject, but this woman sounds like a lunatic spoiling for a fight. She was totally out of order to pick a fight with you and to escalate it to actual violence. That’s never acceptable behaviour regardless of the issue. Hope you’re ok - sounds like a horrendous experience.

I’m so sorry you had such a difficult experience, but I cannot begin to tell you how frustrating and insulting it is for those of us with children who identify as trans to hear that it wouldn’t happen if they were brought up in a home that supported the fundamental nature of biological sex and did not support gender stereotyping. Please have a look at groups like the Bayswater support group where you will find many parent who have brought their children up with similar ideologies to you who have been blindsided by a child suddenly declaring they are trans.

That's absolutely awful. I feel she targeted you and that is frightening-but I think it's your friend who is most at risk because it's her roommate-I hope she can move out soon!

That woman is a very messed up person and you did nothing wrong.

You aren't isolated here that's for sure.

I love how these people think they are leading the resistance when actually the Stasi would have loved them.

So true. OP, hope you had a better day today. What a rude, horrible woman. She should apologise to you and your friend, and to everyone else as well for ruining your night together. But I bet she won’t.

Hope your friend finds somewhere else to live too. Sounds like a housemate from hell.

Hope you've had a good day today OP.

Just add to the chorus - you did nothing wrong.

You've every right to hold the views you do - as does she in return but she's got no right to respond with bullying and violence.

You might actually find yourself surprised by how your friends react.

She's certainly not done her cause any favours.

Like other I suspect she knew about your GC views and had been spoiling for a fight all day whilst getting increasingly drunk.

What I would have been upset about is her question. Whilst "hypothetical" who the hell thinks it's acceptable to ask that about your children. Gender dysphoria is a very serious condition that can have serious long term mental and potentially physical impacts. No one would ever ask "what would you do in 10 years if your child became anorexic/had cancer/heart failure" etc.

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Same here.

Just try not to let your gender critical views inform your children's upbringing.

Bollocks to this. I raise my children to question sexism, unfairness and bullshit. I raise them to be confident, thoughtful and compassionate. My 'gc' views are perfectly congruent with those morals. Unless you're suggesting you're going to actually attempt to raise children with no moral compass or guidance at all, in which case - oy vay.

Bloody hell, OP.

There are some very unbalanced people in the world. Sorry you've bumped into one of them. Hope you feel better soon.

Nutter not butter.

She's a butter op. Her behaviour was hers alone. It's the kind of reaction I'd expect from a very, very immature teen, not an adult.

Speaking on behalf of the vegans, we have no interest in sausages of the human or pig variety, but a shroomdog is always welcome.

that if you aren't a vegan you deserve to be made into sausages

Sorry this has really me laugh!

It sounds like she’d checked your social media for wrongthink and planned to “call you out” in front of others. I love how these people think they are leading the resistance when actually the Stasi would have loved them.

Hello - before making ill informed comments about someone else's posts please read them properly.

My comments about drinking all afternoon were trying to find some sort of explanation for the madness of random woman's behaviour.

So you just look stupid for trying to tell me off.

In both my comments I was praising OP for her considered and thoughtful behaviour.

And none of it was anything to do with having gender critical views.

So I hope OP has had a good night's sleep and is enjoying a relaxing sunday.

And just to say again, because of the insidious attempt to make it sound like I was blaming you. Of course I wasn't.

But to everyone beware of people, even if you think they are friends, who have been drinking all afternoon and into the evening. They aren't good company.

@hazandduck I hope your day has gone well. Like many here I agree that this person, who doesn't know you (or barely knows you), was after a fight. I wonder if part of your subsequent feelings were linked to having an expectation of a pleasant afternoon being so brutally destroyed by this awful event? You behaved with honesty and dignity and looked after your friend. I hope you managed some sleep and are feeling more resilient today

She doesn't sound well - and that, paradoxically, I see as a good sign. I've met many people like her. They're the ones who, if they happen to be into politics (say) go sweeping straight out of the Overton Window and into the fringes where dwell the people who say that property is theft and that if you aren't a vegan you deserve to be made into sausages. They're always highly unstable. Hell, I've dwelt in that realm myself.
I think the extreme form of genderism - the one we're being hit with now - was always in the lunatic fringe, but for some reason it caught on in the mainstream. Now that it's become a debating topic it's perhaps only the lunatics that are prepared to defend it in public.
Sounds like a really horrible experience, mind you. Well done for holding it together.

OP, I hope you’re fine today. Your attacker is probably too hungover to realise how many converts she has made to the feminist cause!

How are you today OP, I bet she's feeling a bit of a tit right now.

Alcohol and sunshine can be a bad combination and some people are just bad drunks, sounds like she's one of them.

Personally I think the subject of the argument is neither here or there, she was getting lairy, wanted a fight and got one. Now you know how she is you can know to avoid her. I'm sorry it ruined your day out though.

My guess would be that she has been using her allyship, woke credentials and vocal support of an ideology to get pat's and praise and social power, and that she feels that slipping away.

If you are more openly gender critical than others in her circle, she is focusing on you as part of the cause of that. She has spun herself as the righteous in her own head, it is ego dystonic to have to reframe yourself and admit maybe you were wrong and people resist it.

She is a bully, a mean girl for the modern age. She made a fool of herself not you.

But maybe worth reflecting that drinking all afternoon and into the evening could have negative consequences

Maybe worth reading an OP properly before making a super-patronising response?

I hope you are feeling better this morning, OP.

If the woman had to resort to screaming, calling people "cunts", mispresenting your views and rolling around on the ground fighting in order to express her "opinion", it's not really an opinion that would seem to rest on its merits, is it? I imagine that most people who witnessed this would recognise that.

And I'm sorry that happened op. That woman is clearly an absolute arse. Anyone who gets drunk and picks fights with people is not someone I would want to know or have anything to do with.

Just try not to let your gender critical views inform your children's upbringing. I say that from a position that children should be allowed to develop and grow with as few pre conceptions as possible.

My GC views have absolutely informed my children's upbringing. Sad it had to be like that. But I had to get ahead of the adults they would meet in their lives, who would tell them it's ok to stunt their development and growth by the use of puberty blockers and cross sex hormones. Absolutely not going to happen on my watch.