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Best responses for being asked for pronouns in person

312 replies

Seraphinite · 05/06/2021 23:33

I’m going to a residential training course (not UK) and I suspect they will ask us for pronouns when we introduce ourselves on day one. (I’ve been to something with this organization before and have seen it)

What are some good responses I can give? Is saying ‘I prefer not to say’ best?

I don’t want to draw attention to it, be adversarial or open up discussion, I just don’t want to answer.

(For avoidance of doubt, I don’t buy in to gender ideology so that’s why I don’t want to answer. To me, stating my pronouns indicates I think it’s an ok question to ask in the first place )

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DdraigGoch · 06/06/2021 08:49

Are you able to take a cat with you?

FindTheTruth · 06/06/2021 08:42

I'm not giving my pronouns and don't agree with forcing people to declare a gender identity.

MizzleEyed · 06/06/2021 08:35

I think it is quite regressive to make women stress the fact they are women when it it is irrelevant to my job. Its just like 1960s men feeling they have to know if we are married or not by using Miss or Mrs.

FindTheTruth · 06/06/2021 08:31

I'm not giving my pronouns. This signals a hostile environment.

MyOtherProfile · 06/06/2021 08:29

These are excellent!

Wouldn't it be third person singular though?

LemonRoses · 06/06/2021 08:28

“Pronouns, why?” quizzical look.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 06/06/2021 08:24

@RedDogsBeg The ones normally used when referring to a person of my sex

Thank you for this.. I really, really like it. It acknowledges normality in language and the centrality of sex but also leaves open the possibility that others might choose otherwise (just not me).

Said neutrally, I don't think it can cause offence.

I will use it - unless I want to stir - in which case 'female, like my oppression' still rocks.

CovidCorvid · 06/06/2021 08:21

I’d just tell them that gender is a social construct which I don’t agree with and give them a hard stare.

Mumsnut · 06/06/2021 08:12

‘Surprise me!”

MattDamon · 06/06/2021 07:46

'I prefer to keep that kind of information private, thanks'. Big smile.

Gtfcovid · 06/06/2021 07:33

I probably wouldn’t, but I’d be tempted to say she, his and them and then point out that I have a degree in linguistics so I will notice if someone gets it wrong! “She said that his name was GTF and I believe them”

UppityPuppity · 06/06/2021 07:29

Someone on here wrote something like - my pronouns are she/her when it comes to biology and equality law but he/him when it comes to payday.

VettiyaIruken · 06/06/2021 07:24

With a straight face, tell them it's Shkle / Shkler

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 06/06/2021 07:18

Since it is actually against the Yogyakarta principles to ask for them, I would say something along the lines of in solidarity with those not ready to reveal theirs, I don’t either. Please refer to me however you like when I am not there, as I shan’t know and shan’t mind.

McDuffy · 06/06/2021 04:06

@McDuffy

Or (warming to a theme!) you could ask them if they also need your age, sex, disability, race, maternity status etc and ask what this personal information will be used for. Mutter about GDPR Smile
Actually ignore this, gender ID isn't covered by the EA2010 so isn't comparing like-with-like Blush
McDuffy · 06/06/2021 04:01

Or (warming to a theme!) you could ask them if they also need your age, sex, disability, race, maternity status etc and ask what this personal information will be used for. Mutter about GDPR Smile

McDuffy · 06/06/2021 03:59

Couple of thoughts (woken by toddler!)
Just asking them why they need them, and musing it must be difficult for them to remember them all, and how would they know if they'd got them wrong seeing as you normally wouldn't be present when they use them (bore them...)
My DH who's a never apologise, never explain kind of person would probably shut it down with "nah, you're alright"
Or you could say "I didn't know this was still a thing. Feels very 2018" and/or mention the Yogyakarta principles

theThreeofWeevils · 06/06/2021 03:09

@rabbitwoman
'I don't believe in compelled speech, you may use whatever you like.'
That's the bunny! (sorry)
I don't see how anyone can object, or rather, make a complaint that would be upheld, about that.

sashh · 06/06/2021 03:08

Where, this and mine.

Oh do you mean personal pronouns? Well they are personal and I don't want to share thank you.

Or one a friend went with, "dude".

BaggoMcoys · 06/06/2021 03:06

@JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff

You could also just say "second person singular, thanks!" with a breezy smile and leave them to admit they don't actually understand how pronouns work......
This is a great idea. I'd like to use this, or perhaps I'd say 'first person singular' as those are my pronouns. I know there's no chance in hell I'd ever say "she/her" or any equivalent.
PoleToPole · 06/06/2021 02:53

I have several times used "are you asking me to out myself, here and now? On your order? Nice way you have of being an "ally"!" in an incredulous, offended and outraged tone. It has always caused panic, profuse apologies and backtracking at a speed never before seen, with no further mention of pronouns.

GrettaGreen · 06/06/2021 02:26

I'd answer she/her at the time but then I'd corner the trainer when they're alone to share my very trans inclusive concerns about how if there were people in the group not comfortable with their chosen gender you'd effectively out them....

quizqueen · 06/06/2021 02:14

Rather than second person, singular, I prefer 'nominative case, singular' (I) or 'vocative case, singular '(you) if you want to go along that line. Most people will have never studied Latin so won't have the fuck idea what you are saying but probably wouldn't challenge it.

xxyzz · 06/06/2021 02:01

Don't know if I'd do this, but I'd be very tempted to say slowly 'My what? My pro..nouns? I don't really understand what you mean?' in a slightly baffled way (as though you'd just stepped off the plane from say 2015 and had not the faintest idea what they meant)?

Then have fun watching them try to explain what they mean by preferred pronouns, looking slightly baffled and concerned.

Eventually, a little light laugh and a 'No! I still don't really get it! My name is X! Will that do?'

Everyone else will be cringing too much by this point hopefully to continue with the whole performative shitshow.

Grin
rabbitwoman · 06/06/2021 01:47

'I am a narcissist. Please always refer to me by my proper name.'

'oh. I thought I passed sad face '

'I don't believe in compelled speech, you may use whatever you like.'

'don't ever, EVER, talk about me behind my back.'

But if ever I am asked I will say:

'I don't want to talk about my gender identity in public. Thanks.'