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Best responses for being asked for pronouns in person

312 replies

Seraphinite · 05/06/2021 23:33

I’m going to a residential training course (not UK) and I suspect they will ask us for pronouns when we introduce ourselves on day one. (I’ve been to something with this organization before and have seen it)

What are some good responses I can give? Is saying ‘I prefer not to say’ best?

I don’t want to draw attention to it, be adversarial or open up discussion, I just don’t want to answer.

(For avoidance of doubt, I don’t buy in to gender ideology so that’s why I don’t want to answer. To me, stating my pronouns indicates I think it’s an ok question to ask in the first place )

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WeatherwaxOn · 06/06/2021 09:28

I only answer to "your highness".

MarshaBradyo · 06/06/2021 09:27

Female ones

Or no thanks

I’m yet to experience this

dudsville · 06/06/2021 09:27

Me: Hi, I'm dudsville.

Course leader: and your pronouns?

Me: I just came here today to learn x and don't wish things to get more personal than that.

So basically I'm saying I'm here to focus on the task, not on me in a more personal way, including my politics.

AutumnBrooke · 06/06/2021 09:26

My pronouns are...irrelevant.

TabbyStar · 06/06/2021 09:26

"Me, me, me"

Or "Emphasising that I'm female hasn't really worked well for me given all the sexism in the workplace"

Siblingquandary · 06/06/2021 09:25

I'd be itching to say She/Ra

But probably not the best idea

aliasundercover · 06/06/2021 09:24

"I don't care what pronouns you use, but my adjectives are 'mighty' and 'glorious'. Please use them or you'll trigger me".

CardinalLolzy · 06/06/2021 09:22

I have never misgendered anyone in my life, including trans people

The whole point is that you wouldn't know if you'd misgendered anyone unless you had specifically asked what their gender is first. Gender is an invisible feeling. That's the whole problem with it and why it shouldn't override sex in specific situations!

OllyBJolly · 06/06/2021 09:21

I’ve only been asked this once and I answered “What an odd question. Is it a game - can you explain it?” The facilitator was a bit put out, giggled, talked about inclusion and feeling comfortable. The next person said “I think we’re all feeling uncomfortable now. I don’t understand it either” and just said their name and company and job and no one else after that mentioned pronouns.

I noticed she dropped the she/her from her LinkedIn profile after that. I think it’s the unthinking adoption of this that has to be challenged.

It’s become more widespread so feigned ignorance might not work now.

LuckyWookie · 06/06/2021 09:21

Saying she/her is too easy and lets the asker off the hook. Be a pain in the arse like they’re being. Tell them you’re a post-gender individualist and pronouns are counter to your individuality so you don’t use them, you insist they use your full name at all times.

CardinalLolzy · 06/06/2021 09:19

And can we please put an end to the fallacy that third person pronouns are only used when the person isn't present? There are lots of instances where they are used when you're present, especially in group situations.

Agreed. It's a tiresome argument and not the reason I don't want to state pronouns.

ScreamingMeMe · 06/06/2021 09:17

@xxyzz

Don't know if I'd do this, but I'd be very tempted to say slowly 'My what? My pro..nouns? I don't really understand what you mean?' in a slightly baffled way (as though you'd just stepped off the plane from say 2015 and had not the faintest idea what they meant)?

Then have fun watching them try to explain what they mean by preferred pronouns, looking slightly baffled and concerned.

Eventually, a little light laugh and a 'No! I still don't really get it! My name is X! Will that do?'

Everyone else will be cringing too much by this point hopefully to continue with the whole performative shitshow.

Grin

Oh, I'd love to do this if given the opportunity. I bet the majority of people haven't thought very deeply about it at all: they've just been told it's the right and kind thing to do.
CoffeeWithCheese · 06/06/2021 09:17

I've always managed to just get through these ghastly things by omitting the "and my pronouns are..." bit and getting on to the other bit of whatever the introduction ice breaker horror is. No one has ever dared press me and then people have generally followed suit and ignored the pronoun stuff.

FindTheTruth · 06/06/2021 09:16

EMAIL
Subject: Political neutrality on x residential training course

Dear Organisation

I would like reassurance that the residential training course will be politically neutral and that the trainer will not order us to state our pronouns, being a tool of political lobby groups with “extreme political stances” and not a benign act. I have never misgendered anyone in my life, including trans people and pronouns don't naturally even come up in normal conversation between people. Forcing this creates a hostile environment for women.

Regards
X

What are your pre-emptive emails?

I'm sure FWRs can massively improve on this...

Carriemac · 06/06/2021 09:15

"Obviously when you're talking to me you'll use my name. When you're talking about me, it's really not my business to police your language."

BettyFilous · 06/06/2021 09:12

I’m already on the naughty list for asking hard questions, so I’d have to tread carefully but what I’d want to say is: “would you ask me to disclose a disability or my sexuality in a public forum like this? Why are you asking people to disclose their protected trans status in this way? I’ll pass.”

partyatthepalace · 06/06/2021 09:11

@BaronessBomburst

I once read a brilliant answer on here It was along the lines of '"I'm gender-free but please use the pronouns you feel most comfortable using for me. My sex is biologically female so if you want to use she and her, that's fine."
I think this is v smart.
ComDummings · 06/06/2021 09:11

“I literally don’t care”

Warmduscher · 06/06/2021 09:08

@MyOtherProfile

These are excellent!

Wouldn't it be third person singular though?

Was going to say exactly this - second person singular is “you”.
yetanotherusernameAgain · 06/06/2021 09:07

"I don't have a preference" is easy to say and implies you understand the issue and have formed an opinion, unlike "I don't mind" or "I don't care" which sound like you don't realise some people take it very seriously. Definitely don't say "It doesn't matter" as it might be interpreted as you brushing off the whole issue, unless you want to get people's backs up.

Although I'm inspired by a PP to say *she and him" and see if anyone remembers to use "him".

And can we please put an end to the fallacy that third person pronouns are only used when the person isn't present? There are lots of instances where they are used when you're present, especially in group situations.

Winkywonkydonkey · 06/06/2021 09:07

It

As in 'it likes biscuits with its tea'

AlmostSummer21 · 06/06/2021 09:06

I'd need to pick my eyeballs up first, there's only so much rolling they can take!

Chersfrozenface · 06/06/2021 09:02

I'm unlikely to be asked, fortunately, but I have at least two responses ready.

  1. "Why do you need to know?" If it occurs to my interlocutor to admit that it's a proxy for "gender identity", I don't have one so the question is moot and I needn't answer.
  2. "Do people have pronouns? I mean, languages have pronouns, but do individuals possess pronouns?" I could bore on about pronouns in languages with which I am more or less familiar.
Lottapianos · 06/06/2021 08:56

'You could also just say "second person singular, thanks!" with a breezy smile and leave them to admit they don't actually understand how pronouns work..'

LOVE this Grin I would guess that most of the woke brigade couldn't even have told you what a pronoun was a year ago! It's such fucking nonsense, and I hope it's the latest trendy empty-headed thing that will fizzle out soon enough. Some great suggestions on here

thepinkstuff · 06/06/2021 08:51

I would say
Why do you need to know? And let them explain why you need to tell them.

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