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Naomi Wolf finally suspended from Twitter

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ofwarren · 05/06/2021 09:47

The writer of The Beauty Myth, turned conspiracy theorist has finally got the boot from Twitter.

I'll be happy not reading her bilge any more to be honest.

She gave us all a laugh with her "nanopatticles" nonsense though 😂

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deydododatdodontdeydo · 06/06/2021 14:17

Interesting that everyone seems to think she's unwell and needs help.
There are thousands of people like her on social media, and nobody thinks they are suffering, they just get called dangerous idiots.

nauticant · 06/06/2021 12:53

Also, I see that Mike Lousada and Louise Mazanti are promoted on goop.

nauticant · 06/06/2021 12:51

I had a look at your link hoodathunkit. It's a depressing read and once I'd finished it the word "squalid" came to mind. For example:

Mike explained that many of his clients had been sexually abused as girls and the after-effects ranged from a deep rage against men that manifested sexually, to an inability to feel deeply or to be orgasmic; sex with him — he used manipulation for the most part — helped them, he claimed, heal their rage and depression.

I noticed the name Mike Lousada, did a bit of googling and see he's married to Louise Mazanti. I've seen her interviewed on youtube, she gives me the heebie-jeebies. The number of gurus with esoteric life-solving philosophies on youtube is alarming. People are finding life more difficult to handle, they cry out for help, and it comes in the form of these manipulative charlatans. Grim.

NicknamesAreLikeKleenex · 06/06/2021 12:32

I can’t read your link hoodathunkit, but her Wikipedia entry section on “Other Views” is interesting. Men have been calling her out as a hysterical conspiracy theorist for years and years. Annoyingly enough, apart from the “hysterical” bit, they’ve been proved right. But Sarah Ditum’s quote in the attached photo is great. I found The Beauty Myth very powerful when I read it on first publication, but I was struck at the time by how explicitly it framed the patriarchy/capitalism as a deliberate and sinister conspiracy. It was really full-on.

Has everyone read her unfortunate MN webchat?

Naomi Wolf finally suspended from Twitter
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hoodathunkit · 06/06/2021 09:19

Wolf has been mixing with extremely dodgy cults since 2010 and possibly before then.

I have witnessed many women get involved with "yoni massage" / "body psychotherapy" / tantric sex cults and subsequently get drawn into a paranoid world of conspiracy theories, pseudo-science, quackery and magical thinking. Also, not uncommonly prostitution, drugs (referred to euphemistically as "plant healers") and other concerning things.

Readers unfamiliar with Wolf's "journey" into batshittery may find the linked article below enlightening

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20201130064433/www.mikelousada.com/london/17/The-Sunday-Times.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20201130064433/www.mikelousada.com/london/17/The-Sunday-Times.html

GNCQ · 06/06/2021 09:09

To be fair your personal Facebook page should be a place where you can be free to moan about lockdowns and facemasks. It's shit. It's hard. I don't think she's campaigning or advocating these things shouldn't exist.

If you think no one should be free to moan about it on Facebook then perhaps just unfriend her rather than moan about her.

NicknamesAreLikeKleenex · 06/06/2021 00:11

MN has a strict policy on ablist slurs Duckypoos.

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stumbledin · 05/06/2021 23:47

Sorry if my post confused you.

Feminist Current web site and twitter has been hacked.

However her personal account on facebook is still (I hope) okay and I have been a facebook "friend" for sometime, and for nearly a year now she has been very vocal about covid rules being an attack on individual freedoms. But maybe as said up thread, it is a sort of spoiled millenium, but many younger people have been able to see that they might be carriers and so have accepted restrictions. It was just her whole tone.

I was just a bit taken aback as she sounded like those right wing tories or trump americans. All this I as an individual am more important that the common good. Wearing a mask is an infringement of my liberty. Or some such.

Even if you are not on facebook you can scroll through her posts but have to keep clicking away the irritating notice about joining facebook. If you can be bothered to look through posts for the past few months!

And the most recent post was about Feminist Current being hacked and how to help, but then there is a link to a web site behind a paywall!!??!!

OneEpisode · 05/06/2021 20:16

I didn’t actually see Meghan’s comments, but I do think a free society should discuss the restrictions placed on younger people (for instance Meghan lives alone I think, in an apartment?) vs the social benefit for vulnerable people like me. No debate is not a successful solution to anything.

Delphinium20 · 05/06/2021 20:03

Meghan Murphy has done a lot of great work for feminism, and I'm honestly worried for her safety as she gets harassed and followed all the time (that kind of harassment can wear on you).

I don't think Murphy is unhinged like Wolf, but when the pandemic started, all I heard from Murphy was grumbling about no longer being able to work/meet up in her favorite bar or coffee shop. I think she took the shared inconvenience and frustration of lockdowns and blew it up as an example of totalitarianism. Youngish, healthy, not-a-caregiver Murphy was speaking from a point of a spoiled millennial, not a revolutionary. It's public health...it's not perfect, but most people tried to do their best but she threw a tantrum from a place of privilege.

It was a bad look, IMO, but I don't see Murphy in the same category as Wolf, who is bonkers.

Delphinium20 · 05/06/2021 19:50

Her tweets remind me of a neighbor who will occasionally post a lot of nonsense for hours on our NextDoor. When this happens, we send out a neighbor chain of messages to get in contact with her designated friend and another family member. While she hasn't disclosed her mental illness to us, we get messages back from the friend and family member thanking us for the alert.

Now that Wolf's very unwell thoughts are no longer on display, I wonder if anyone is watching out for her?

ScreamingMeMe · 05/06/2021 19:32

@OneEpisode

stumbledin that Meghan Murphy link now says that she was hacked. What do you think Meghan posted?
Yes all Meghan's media was hacked recently

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4260032-feminist-current-s-website-and-twitter-account-have-been-hacked

Nodal · 05/06/2021 18:05

I love how she can do MRNA or she can do mrna, but she can't get it right and type mRNA Grin

I do remember saying it was a mistake not to have messenger RNA on the GCSE Biology curriculum, only DNA.

MargaritaPie · 05/06/2021 17:57

"Poop from vaccinated people should be kept separate from everyone else's poop in the sewers."

Ha, that's a good one. Not heard that before.

OneEpisode · 05/06/2021 17:35

stumbledin that Meghan Murphy link now says that she was hacked. What do you think Meghan posted?

Serpenta · 05/06/2021 16:35

Even innocuous tweets about teddy bears were getting her aggravated.

Naomi Wolf finally suspended from Twitter
StealthPolarBear · 05/06/2021 16:28

I follow her and knew she had some wild views but hadn't realised she was quite this bad

Sexnotgender · 05/06/2021 16:24

@ofwarren

This was the tweet that was the final nail in the coffin apparently
Jeez that’s mad!

Is she ok? Sounds like she needs some real life support.

FeatheredHope · 05/06/2021 16:22

Didn’t help that she was tweeting absolute bollocks about medicine as “Dr” with a blue tick to prove that yes she really was a doctor (of poetry)

This. I’m a big free speech and all that supporter but to put out such BS at times like this in a deliberately misleading manner is downright dangerous.

stumbledin · 05/06/2021 16:18

I'm not on twitter and never really rated NW. But the examples posted here dont seem at all rational. Confused

And not wanting to derail this thread, but have any of you followed Meghan Murphy on her facebook page? Some of her comment about loosing our freedoms because of Covid are quite startling. But maybe that's because I dont understand exactly what is happening in Canada. But can imagine her sharing a platform with Piers Corbyn. Smile

Just posting because of the comment up thread, that you can find someone really creditable, and in fact appreciate their analysis of a situation, and then out of the blue they say something on another issue and you think WtF?!!!!

www.facebook.com/pg/meghanmurphywriter/posts/?ref=page_internal

FOJN · 05/06/2021 15:34

She is spreading damaging lies and that needs to be silenced.

TRA's would say the same about us. I haven't seen any of her tweets before today and whilst I can understand the cause for concern about misinformation and her welfare I cannot support silencing people I don't agree. Direct threats of violence or otherwise unlawful content are a different matter.

Serpenta · 05/06/2021 14:46

@EsmaCannonball

I still don't understand how someone can write a book claiming that thousands of gay men were executed in Victorian Britain without wondering why nobody else had ever written about it or made a documentary about it or why no biographer of Oscar Wilde had ever thought to bring it up. It's actually quite scary that there's a breed of scholarship completely disconnected from facts.
I enjoyed listening to this moment where it's revealed to her that her 'research' (and therefore entire book) is one giant error.

twitter.com/thymetikon/status/1131702577878503425

NicknamesAreLikeKleenex · 05/06/2021 14:44

I don’t think she’s actually claimed to be a medical doctor - but obviously the fact that she uses her shiny (but slightly tarnished) new doctorate at the top of her Twitter bio with a blue tick makes her dangerous bollocks that bit more dangerous.