Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Scotland needs a new suffragette movement - Scotsman

60 replies

ArabellaScott · 05/06/2021 07:58

Susan Dalgety in the Scotsman

'what started as a controversial position in a few liberal American universities is now mainstream thinking in the Scottish government. And no dissent, it seems, is allowed.

Women who argue that biology is real and that our sex is the basis of inequality are dismissed as bigots'

www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/scotland-may-need-a-new-suffragette-movement-as-feminists-who-argue-biology-is-real-risk-prison-susan-dalgety-3261397

OP posts:
Igneococcus · 06/06/2021 07:04

I put this in the other thread about MM but it's worth sharing. Alex Massie in the Times today:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0f3a824a-c622-11eb-912a-e652f3ef104d?shareToken=e7b9a584aad3fdffd62d0bb2d58e8435

Nonmaquillee · 06/06/2021 06:54

@theskyispink

According to FOI requests, the Scottish Government has spent £250k on Stonewall in two years. No wonder we're being so thoroughly screwed.

When are we holding a march? A protest? I want haberdashery all over this bloomin' country and I want to stand with my sisters in solidarity.

That’s a bloody shocking amount of money 😳
ArabellaScott · 05/06/2021 23:11

Sorry, Gibbons. Grin

OP posts:
Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 05/06/2021 23:07

@ArabellaScott

Wondering if my TBR pile can stand another: ]]
Damn it!

Sometimes I put an IOU(me) a book somewhere down the TBR pile in the hope the price has gone down by the time I get to the IOU Grin

Feelinghothothottoday · 05/06/2021 22:56

£250,000!!!!! I would be questioning that with their auditors as to whether that is reasonable use of public funds.

theskyispink · 05/06/2021 21:49

According to FOI requests, the Scottish Government has spent £250k on Stonewall in two years. No wonder we're being so thoroughly screwed.

When are we holding a march? A protest? I want haberdashery all over this bloomin' country and I want to stand with my sisters in solidarity.

ArabellaScott · 05/06/2021 16:53

www.etsy.com/uk/market/suffragette

OP posts:
Cailin66 · 05/06/2021 16:26

Where can one buy a suffragette pin and sash online. Obviously I can buy colored ribbons but I'd prefer something more made up.

Shimmyshimmycocobop · 05/06/2021 16:20

I've ordered some too and booked a day off from work to attend Airdrie Court to show some support for Marion.

I have to be careful with my job too but just can't watch this from the sidelines anymore.

Snugglepumpkin · 05/06/2021 16:12

I ordered a load of ribbons the day I read that Marion Millar had been charged.

Wanted to order a suffragette colours pin too but they were all sold out when I looked.

PerditaCambellBlack · 05/06/2021 14:35

@ArabellaScott

Dangerous Coats

Someone clever once said
Women were not allowed pockets
In case they carried leaflets
To spread sedition
Which means unrest
To you & me
A grandiose word
For commonsense
Fairness
Kindness
Equality
So ladies, start sewing
Dangerous coats
Made of pockets & sedition

Sharon Owens

Fabulous
PandorasMailbox · 05/06/2021 12:19

I have large pockets full of ribbons, looking for a place to rest...

ArabellaScott · 05/06/2021 12:17

Wondering if my TBR pile can stand another: www.amazon.co.uk/Pocket-Hidden-History-Womens-1660-1900/dp/0300253745?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

OP posts:
Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 05/06/2021 12:10

I love that poem ArabellaScott my eldest daughter quotes it every time I make her clothes - proper pockets Grin

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 05/06/2021 12:08

eurochick

coodawoodashooda
What ribbons?
I think the argument is that being a woman is a biological fact? Am I correct? And, now to state otherwise is a hate crime. Have I hit the jist? Honestly. Ffs. You couldn't make this nonsense up. Are we 'allowed' to wear these ribbons at work?

It's the other way around - stating biological facts (such as women don't have penises) seems to be considered a hate crime in some quarters.

Yeah listen to euro I shouldn't MN while feeding kids Blush

ArabellaScott · 05/06/2021 12:06

Dangerous Coats

Someone clever once said
Women were not allowed pockets
In case they carried leaflets
To spread sedition
Which means unrest
To you & me
A grandiose word
For commonsense
Fairness
Kindness
Equality
So ladies, start sewing
Dangerous coats
Made of pockets & sedition

Sharon Owens

OP posts:
EmbarrassingAdmissions · 05/06/2021 11:32

@coodawoodashooda

What ribbons? I think the argument is that being a woman is a biological fact? Am I correct? And, now to state otherwise is a hate crime. Have I hit the jist? Honestly. Ffs. You couldn't make this nonsense up. Are we 'allowed' to wear these ribbons at work?
When Linda Bellos wore a suffragette colour pocket square to a (relevant) court case in which she was a defendant, the plaintiff complained of being intimidated by the colours.

Appearing in the dock, Bellos wore a suffragette-themed pocket square, although many of her supporters were made to remove similarly coloured sashes at the entrance.

One supporter in the gallery also wore a T-shirt stating the definition of a woman as an “adult human female,” leading Kendal to make an application for the symbols to be removed as contempt of court.
…
However, District Judge Richard Blake threw out the request, saying that “people are free to wear what they want.”

A supporter of Kendal, Vicky Jane, told PinkNews that… she feels that the suffragette movement is being appropriated to exclude trans women.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/09/26/linda-bellos-private-prosecution-trans-women/

TheFnozwhowasmirage · 05/06/2021 11:22

I have bought ribbons.Shocking really, I wasn't even asked for a license when I purchased such dangerous items.

eurochick · 05/06/2021 11:14

@coodawoodashooda

What ribbons? I think the argument is that being a woman is a biological fact? Am I correct? And, now to state otherwise is a hate crime. Have I hit the jist? Honestly. Ffs. You couldn't make this nonsense up. Are we 'allowed' to wear these ribbons at work?
It's the other way around - stating biological facts (such as women don't have penises) seems to be considered a hate crime in some quarters.
coodawoodashooda · 05/06/2021 11:14

Are you in Scotland pp?

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 05/06/2021 11:09

Xposted!

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 05/06/2021 11:07

Yep you've got the gist cooda
I can't speak for would but mine are bog standard crossgrain ribbons in purple white & green

coodawoodashooda · 05/06/2021 11:06

Oh. Now I see. I am in Scotland. I can't tie ribbons everywhere
Quite simply, I need my job.

coodawoodashooda · 05/06/2021 10:59

What ribbons?
I think the argument is that being a woman is a biological fact? Am I correct? And, now to state otherwise is a hate crime. Have I hit the jist? Honestly. Ffs. You couldn't make this nonsense up. Are we 'allowed' to wear these ribbons at work?

WouldBeGood · 05/06/2021 10:50

I too have ribbons.