Are you put off booking a holiday in Scotland by the Marion Miller case and the Scottish police carping about stickers?

I never use the C word. Well extremely rarely. I never use the c** word. Completely offensive.

It does appear intentionally misgendering someone is allowed on Mumsnet

No its not

And i think youve been here long enough to know that it isnt

"Oh, and when you say Horse Bar, do you mean Salt Horse, The White Horse or the Laughing Horse?"

The one Ms Miller and chums went to. I don't know I'm not from Scotland.

I saw another person in passing claim that GC feminists had put leaflets in his pub and boasting that he made them leave or he would have got violent I did not see him claim that it was specifically Marion herself, just random unidentified "TERFs" of which there are many in Scotland, so I'd be careful that you don't say she was personally doing things she wasn't as it could be seen as both personally defamatory and with potential to prejudice the live court case, which may lead to it being thrown out, which I'm sure some people wouldn't want.

In fact it looks like she's taking action against someone else for exactly this kind of thing.

The manager is a 'he' on his Twitter account, but a TW in the pub...what loo does he use, what ward would he go into in hospital if ill?
can we ever common sense back?

🤣

True. Will save that for anyone I meet at work this afternoon 🤣

Well, thanks to this thread, I've developed some insight into the chasm of incomprehension I meet when I try to explain the disproportionate impact that a lack of single-sex spaces will have on Muslim women and girls.

It explains a lot, to be honest

It does appear intentionally misgendering someone is allowed on Mumsnet. If one does that on Twitter it can be removed for breach of the rules.

He calls himself male on Twitter and every media report calls him 'he'. We're discussing it as it's reported.

And we're not on Twitter with their batshit definition of 'hateful conduct', so it doesn't matter what their rules are really.

If the group went to a bar run by Muslims

Did you put much thought into that?

And us rough Scottish people

🥳🥳🥳

Margarita made me laugh out loud (not for the first time) with the Muslim-run bar comparison. Excellent business idea there, Margarita. You obviously have your feet firmly in the sky.

So I’m Scottish and have worked with allsorts of people from all works of life, including royalty - and I’m an effing delight to work with. I have managed not to swear at, abuse, threaten or headbut any colleagues or clients.

Am I ‘scottishing’ all wrong then?

MargaritaPie: I don't know I'm not from Scotland.
And absolutely WILL NOT WILL NOT WILL NOT listen to anyone who is. That about sums up your contributions on this thread. (Also bore off with the "Eastern European" shite; we're not a monolith either.)

So, you've managed to be incredibly rude about Scottish people, women and Muslims so far, Margarita. Want to quit now, or are you going for the full 9 protected characteristics?

If you're taking about the bar worker,they refer to themselves as male.

He says he is male on his bio

"Margarita, the T word you've used and capitalised there is a slur, and not allowed on Mumsnet."*

I didn't actually "use it", just trying to clarify if that was indeed the word that was being referred to.

It does appear intentionally misgendering someone is allowed on Mumsnet. If one does that on Twitter it can be removed for breach of the rules.

Imagine the fringe performers getting the army set on them

They are like leaflet central. Everywhere you go in Edinburgh leaflets posters

Get the army out 🙌🏽🙌🏽

Wow, so @MargaritaPie, being trans And Scottish gives you a whole new level of amazingness. I can imagine the internal enquiry.

Q Did you or did you not call customers cunts on social media where your employer was easily identified

A Aye, I did,

Q you do realise that breaks pretty much every one of our social media guidelines that are in your contract of employment

A Aye. I ken, but since I am frae Scotland and happen to have a trans cloak of untouchability, I believe such things do not apply to amazing individuals such as myself.

Yes the bartender/manager certainly doesn't mince her words or hold back. This is a Scottish thing I believe?

I won't be rude to you, because I try not to be, but that is a very offensively xenophobic stereotype to apply to Scots. Stop.

Is that acceptable? But they're just pieces of paper and those people are just campaigning? Right?

Well, I've already agreed that distributing leaflets, fliers and other printed material are serious enough crimes to warrant the army coming in to sort things out.