Are you put off booking a holiday in Scotland by the Marion Miller case and the Scottish police carping about stickers?

My DD applied to both Edinburgh and St Andrews universities but decided against them for which I am monumentally glad. Scotland is becoming a scary place for young feminists who believe that men can't be women.

Nope. Not at all. On the contrary they seem to be very inclusive!

The nationalism is more likely to put me off holidaying to be honest though. The indy movement has quite a nasty underbelly and some of the things said by the SNP have only given encouragement to xenophobes.

oh for the love of whoever..Scotland is no more likely to throw you in jail than anywhere else ie England

I live in Scotland. Used to be proud of living here - somewhere that seemed tolerant and at least trying to make the world a better place. Seriously considering my long term future here. And yes those who it puts off visiting or applying for jobs here or studying please speak up - let people know that this intolerant, anti women stance diminishes Scotland's place in the world.

Fine then. Maybe if I said I don't want to visit an England where vast tracts of racist people voted for a racist PM.

That's not personal, that's political.

It's still daft. I'm sure I could have a wonderful time in dozens of English cities and towns. I certainly wouldn't be moping around thinking of the plight of Remainers trapped in a Brexiteer hell.

Nah. I'm not going now, but a few of my family are buried at Culloden. We go to lay a wreath every few years, and we'll not stop that because of some eejits in Stormont with no knowledge of the Equality Act 2010.

We've plenty of family still up in Scotland, and they've no truck with this gender bollocks - sex is biological, gender is shitty stereotypes, end of.

[quote Kona84]@NoIdontwanttoseeyourknob I did try use google before asking but unless I know where to begin searching Is not very fruitful[/quote]
Here we are Kona84. It's actually quite hard to keep track of this as an 'ordinary' member of the public not living in Scotland. I agree with you that 'just google' is not as easy as it seems. The way internet searches work mean that material does not automatically appear. I was looking for a press release (nothing to do with this, nothing controversial) this morning. I eventually found it via a tweet.

This is about Marion Miller who has been asked to attend a police interview investigating 'transphobic hate crime':

www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/scotland-is-in-trouble-if-police-are-dragged-into-culture-wars-as-snp-government-stokes-division-susan-dalgety-3253807

The second instance is about stickers and now deleted tweets from the police.

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/7153299/police-scotland-clampdown-stickers-feminist-group/

I would certainly think twice about going to Scotland given the new hate crime law. It would be odd having to be careful what I say for fear of getting on the wrong side of the law.

I realise it is unlikely I’d get in trouble, but I’d rather it was impossible. Which I don’t think is an unreasonable thing to want in a developed democratic nation.

It is naive for people to say “just don’t say x” and you’ll be fine. And if they can come after you for stuff posted on social media in the past that is irrelevant anyway.

I'm not gay. But I won't visit countries that have appalling records of inhumane treatment of gay people.

Same thing here. I don't really want to go Scotland again (have been lots, loved it) now that they are treating Scottish women like this.

Anyway, back to the thread. I have considered contacting Visit Scotland to tell them I've found various events pretty offputting.

www.visitscotland.com/

[quote TheLovleyChebbyMcGee]Scottish people don't hate English people, and we don't hate women either, bore off with the antagonist comments please.

I imagine we'll get on fine given the human rights atrocities that other countries have in their history that are much worse than allowing people to self ID.

Before covid people still went to loads of counties with awful women's rights records, do you know its still illegal to be gay in 69 countries?

www.bbc.com/news/world-43822234.amp[/quote]
I certainly don't go to any of them, though!

Surely this isn't an unusual position to take on MN?

And if someone doesn’t believe me look at the gender critical academics website, lots of reports from Scottish Unis.

It’s not hyperbole. I live here and work at a University, it’s chilling what is going on. I cannot say that I believe in biological sex in case someone overhears me and reports me at work or out of work (I might offend someone and cause them literal violence). Well I suppose I could say it/tweet it etc but I may end up in court for it.

If anyone doesn't want to come to Scotland, for whatever reason, that's fine. You won't be missed.

Fine, but what's institutional behaviour got to do with your weekend sauntering down the Royal Mile? Unless you live here abs work in, say, a public sector organisation or university, there is no difference, and certainly no impact on the tourist experience.

It's like me saying I wouldn't visit England while that venal cheating racist is PM. But I don't say that because it's demonstrably stupid.

No, but the weather up there might.

I'm Scottish. Moved down South 4 years ago and been pining for Glasgow ever since . I have close family up there and the plan was to move back when my daughter finished her exams . (She wants to go a Scottish uni). This makes me feel ill . Absolutely appalling . The police werent so quick on the mark when for years ,I had to walk by a huge spraypainted "T*igs Go Home " and a arrow to Stranraer(ferry) on a underpass everyday going to work. I'm sure it's still there .( Yes I'm ICatholic). How dare they treat Marion like this ? Nasty ,despicable bullies .I think I'll stay here and to the previous poster , I'm going up arpun the 20th July - I feel some hateful haberdashery going on.

I've signed a no flight pledge so intend to holiday in the U.K. for the foreseeable but Scotland wouldn't be on my list, despite me wanting to see how beautiful it is.

I'd be arrested for my t shirts alone I would imagine.

It's not obvious to me which is why I asked!

Never mind then...