Mermaids, Gendered Intelligence & Fox killer launch appeal against Charity Commission over LGB Alliance charity status

It's not up to straight people to decide

And, according to people like you, it's not up for LGB people to decide either.

Is that difficult to understand?

Trans people have fought for gay acceptance. We're not going to abandon them now.

And it's not up to straight people to decide. Just FYI.

Ask straight people

Well I am straight, @yeahbutnaw, and my child is trans. Still don't see why sexual orientation and gender identity have to be conflated. Would save a lot of trouble all round if trans organisations stopped insisting that they should talk for anyone who isn't straight.

We fought alongside each other for a common goal of acceptance of gender non-conformity.

BINGO! If that was actually what you were fighting for, and tried to enshrine in law, then we'd all be on your side. But it's not.

If you want to team up to replace "gender identity" or "gender reassignment" with "gender non-conformity" as the protected characteristic, let's go.

How were these terms "conflated" in the 70's, pray tell?

I suspect that Stonewall might be involved, perhaps just in terms of behind-the-scenes consultation, but the challenge is configured so that the money can be shown only to come from the GLP so that there can be awkward questions asked about public funding being used to pursue such a dodgy case.

I would have expected sufficient 'Standing' to need to be the likes of EHRC, or the NHS, or a professional medical College, or a government dept, or a major Foundation like the Nuffield outlining health concerns.

Not another (small) charity that says it's competing for donations and funds.

Well, @yeahbutnaw, perhaps it's time to separate out sexual orientation from gender identity.

This.

Society saw gay and trans people as interchangeable until quite recently. We both defy gender stereotypes - so we were regarded as part of the same group for decades.

That's not down to 'society'. That's down to the deliberate conflation. Have you not read the Denton report?

Society saw gay and trans people as interchangeable until quite recently.

No.

I don't think Stonewall is involved, which makes the whole thing even stranger. LGBA does have an overlap with Stonewall, but had no overlap at all with solely trans charities. All this is going to do is to highlight that there is a conflict between the LGB and the T, a conflict that all the trans charities have been saying doesnt exist.

Society saw gay and trans people as interchangeable until quite recently. We both defy gender stereotypes - so we were regarded as part of the same group for decades.

We fought alongside each other for a common goal of acceptance of gender non-conformity. We continue to fight alongside each other.

I've read the grounds of appeal and each claim appears to be true.

I'm going to apply to an international tribunal to have the state of Denmark dissolved. My grounds will be that Denmark supports pig farming.

Now, even though those grounds are true, my application won't be successful. This is because in order to win in legal proceedings you need more than just true statements.

Blessed sunlight in the DM.

Surely sexual orientation is different from gender identity? Why are they being conflated?

You have said that all before and have had it all shown to be twaddle, a cynical and deliberate misreading of a fairly straightforward statement that had to be removed and restated because of the way it was misrepresented.

Start with: they do not support conversion therapy, they are just SHOUTING that any legislation needs to be worded very carefully or it runs the risk of being a very bad law, causingmore issues than it solves.

Read what they say instead of the lying twaddle that had traduced them

lgballiance.org.uk/endconversiontherapy/

The comments are a joy and many of them are very well informed about the relevant issues.

As an aside, the part "Unless the Decision is quashed, Mermaids is likely to suffer financial loss, in that (a) it may find itself competing with LGB Alliance for donations from the public and grant-making bodies" is under the section "Standing" as is simply there to show that Mermaids have a right to bring the case rather than it being an argument that this is happening or is something that is bothering Mermaids or should bother the Charity Commission.

yeahbutnaw - I think it would be at least as accurate to say of Stonewall they've done nothing to benefit trans people - it's all a facade for their anti-sex ideology.

Certainly they've done a lot for LGB in the past, but all UK trans rights were obtained before they were on board, and since they started claiming to be "pro-trans", things haven't really improved, have they?

How much have LGB Alliance actually been having a go at Stonewall's funding, or the Diversity Champions thing?

I'd thought they'd been relatively restrained in that area - targetting the ideology, rather than more "personal" attacks. That's not really Kate+Bev's style.

It's mainly been other groups like Sex Matters or FPFW doing the "drop Stonewall" thing, hasn't it?